Here, watch this guy similar to sex addict he is 44 btw:


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I agree, thats the picture I have of him too.

It is a really nice comparison.

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Wow! Holy shit! I can really relate to what this guy was saying. Especially about not being able to explain clearly to others and of women masking their real thoughts. I try to always dig deeper within my conversations as well. I call it " getting into their heads" My motives may be a little different then his where as mine were mainly sex but the fundamentals are very similar. It's very refreshing to know their are people out there that are as truly fascinated with women as I am. And willing to dedicate years and years to it. This is why I was so excited when I found this forum I had imagined to see this in a abundance here.

I share his passion for women and the inner workings of their minds. Thanks skills360 for showing me this video. It is very reassuring to me. After getting all these hateful post from people and feeling like I will never be understood. I Will work harder on better articulating what I know. I will try to be less defensive and try to reiterate my theories in different ways when challenged.

I too believe I have a very large data base of information as I have been asking questions and making personal observations for years. I would love to have a conversation with this guy, If anything, just to see how many commonalities and physical observations we would have in common.

Thanks again dude. By the way, where do you find all this stuff? You have a link for everything. LOL.

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Thanks. Is it alright if you give an example of a past experience where you worked around to getting sex from a good girl (hopefully, she qualified as a good girl)? I.e talk about how she resisted a few times and perhaps was even repulsed by the idea of having sex with you and later you somehow managed to get it anyways. And what you did to get it? and what would have failed?

Hopefully, this request is not too personal. But i think it will help . THx

I'm not answering for SA911, I wonder what he'd say, but for me this question makes little sense. you have to break it down. You don't manage to get a girl having sex with you rather you manage to get her home with you, or you manage to get a day2 with her. Then the road to sex very short. So don't ask yourself how do I get her to have sex with me, but rather "how do I get her home with me" and this was discussed in the 2nd thread - two options:

1) very solid number that you convert into a day2 at YOUR PLACE.

2) A pull from the bar or club - after you build rapport and a connection, you simply tell the girl "lets get out of here" and lead her back to your place. When she resists you start saying things like "it's just 5 minutes away" "we're going to an after party" "we're going to this other place I know" and then you bring them home with you. I've done this many time, just last night... the girl I was dancing with told me stories about having to be home at 8 am, I just told her over and over again that "it's just 2 minutes away" and "I'll order you a taxi" and "20 minutes and we're out of there" , it took me maybe 90 seconds of working on her like that but once she is convinced than its a done deal. At some point after I gave her enough reasons to come with me (its 2 minutes away, just for 20 minutes, I'll get you a tax and I'm not sure what else I said) she simply said yes and came. It would have been SO EASY for me to just give up and let her go or just sit in the club like an idiot and make out with her, but when I felt the time was right I just pushed for the pull and it worked out.

Once a girl is at your place... then it becomes much easier, basically I throw them on the bed, start making out with them and take my shirt off. ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS take your shirt off first, don't try to get them naked before you get naked yourself because somehow it makes it easier for them, they're thinking "if he has his shirt off, I guess it's only fair I have mine off too". If you just take their shirt off, they feel as if you''re only there to "take" not go "give".

Hope I made sense....

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Ok, so i'm new here. I just signed in today, I've already read some literature on the subject (the game, videos, forums..etc.) and put it on field (some worked some didn't...most did..). Now i'm with a tuff one. There is a bar a I usully go to. It's usually kind of full. The bartender is beautiful and i want to know her. Until recent days i thought it was something special i feel for this girl in the sense that i really liked her. But last week i just realized my "special" thing is not so special. It's just me and 50 other guys who think that girl is so pretty. Maybe they even go to the same place for the same reason as me. The girl.

I've never had a conversation with her more than "hi". The thing is: it's so difficult to get her attention as she is always so busy! bartending everybody. I can tell she recognizes me. The problem now it's that i've been going there for long time not making a move.

each time i aproach all i come up with is: "can i get a beer". I even got bad looks from her last night when i asked her for a beer I freeze each time i aproach her. And this does not happend to me with other girls. I´m currently dating 3 girls so i could maybe forget her. But it's not working.

I´m a pretty honest guy, specially with myself. I got some good eye contact the first time i walked that place and saw her. But never knew what to do. And now i´m getting bad looks!

You know how bar owners put attractive bartender girls to attract custumers. I need to beat the system.

this may be a tuff one...need some help

Thanks. When I meant good girls, I may have meant the ones who desired long relationships and not so much about sex. In your example, you described the girl as someone who goes to the bar/club... suggesting that she isn't really a good girl after all.

So it may have been easier to get home with you since she already has that desire to have fun.

I'm wondering about the girls perhaps girls who are focused on their studies or parents. How do you get short term sex with them?

You are right about 50 others guys thinking the same thing as you. They all want her, its basic marketing. Even half the chicks in the bar will eventually start to want her, ( energy flow) just add alcohol.

Every decent night club in the world has sexy bartenders. She has heard every line in the book. Has her choice of hundreds of guys( giving their best) hitting on her all night long.


It has a low efficiency rating, even for the best of pick up artists. It has too many negative variables, especially If you are frequenting the place.

If she is super hot, she is easily making $200-400 (depending on the place) in tips that night. So she isn't about to just to do random hook ups with regulars at the bar, and risk potential drama at her work place.

She gets hit on everywhere she goes. From my experience, these girls rarely ever date guys that go to the bar.

The only way for you to even have a shot at her is to completely separate yourself from the rest. You have to stand out, if not in the crowd, at least in her mind. You basically have 30-50 seconds of time to try and prove you are different then every other guy in the bar. It's not easy!

Before even attempting to seduce this women, you must ask yourself these questions.

Do I know her name?

Does she have a boy friend? ( can ask other staff/people)

Do I know how to open her without using pick up lines?
( do not use PUA material/lines.)

What can I do/say to stand out from the rest? (plan it out)

Do I believe I can seduce her?

Was the interest from her that I initially received, her just work/flirting or her showing IOI's?


I suggest you find out the answers while you build rapport with her. Just ask one short question every time you order a beer. Say the question first, then ask for the beer. . try to make her laugh, smile, react.

Start with her name, and make sure she knows yours. Then every time you order another drink, be sure to say her name. ( never get too drunk or wasted)

Once you know all of the above answers And feel a decent rapport:

Put an appropriate plan together and go to the bar super early ( just after it opens) Alone! Then sit/stand right at the bar where she is working. She will not be busy and be able to talk. This is your time to shine. Get her talking about herself. Make her laugh, show her your personality. If she starts to show interest and it seems to flow well, once the bar starts filling up and she is starting to get busy. Tell her that you came early for the sole purpose of getting to talk to her. And you are really glad you did. Then say, you would really like to chat with her again and ask her for a pen and paper. Then when she is about to give it to you, tell her to write down her number and you'll give her a text/call when she is not busy. Give her yours as well.

Good luck!

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Dude... if the girl never goes out or does not "have fun" as you call it, why would you want to be with her anyway? With that kind of girl - you will have to go to many dates and do it "proper" the old fashioned way.

Edit - I don't even believe that such girls exist, unless they are catholic or very very conservative / some kind of such background.

Well, to address your first question, it could be for several reasons. You are attracted to her, but you know that you can't get the sex from her.

I guess you could do that 'go on many dates' with her and do it the 'proper way' but isn't there a faster way? Like some technique to break down all her barriers? Things you could say to her to quicken the pace?

In response to your edit, they do exists, but are rare lol

Dude...those girls don't exist. She goes out, has fun, etc, she just doesn't want to go do those things with you.

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ok i was married to one, and have one currently in my rotation, sexaddict is spot on...For me what work was meeting outside of their territory since if clients or regulars see them flirting etc... would affect their revenue, since they flirt and give false hope to all guys in order for profit just like strippers... , these girls have and smell any type of game from a mile away, they hear everything from the best of the best, and some crappy shit too, so they are almost immune to game... With these girls in my personal experience you need to take your time, and they need to get to know you, and this will be cluche advise but you have to show them that you like them for THEM, other than the looks, and the bar tender status, challenge etc... Since there is not to much efficiency(you got a put in work to get them) i do not recommend you to waste time with them, waste time on other targets that are more efficient and lets complex... Now you may get lucky and by displaying your true self(sense of humor big one with these type of women) they may choose you, again you need to show what is different and unique form 50 daily hits they get, believe it or not, mm(advise on the link) may work with these women here:

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I'm new to the forum and for that matter, the game in general. I would love to hear your advice about this. . .

I was at a restaurant with a buddy of mine who happens to be an elite natural last night (as well as another one of my friends), and I decided to try and hit on this gorgeous waitress that was tending to us.

She would come to our table with this sensual smile on her face and talked kind of timidly. But when she came, I would just throw little nuggets at her like, "Oh, forget work, just come hang out with us" to which she replied, "Sure, I'll come hang out with you guys!", called her a buzz kill for forgetting my wine, etc. . . My mid-game is terrible, so right in-between her checks on us I texted my buddy to see what I should say and he told me to call her J-WOW because her name tag said something similar. When she came back I used it and it only provided for minimal conversation. But whatever.

She came to our table before she left and dropped off a small plate with a whipped cream smile face on it and talked with us for a little bit. Some more small talk ensued. What gets me about the whole thing is that our eyes did lock a few times while she was talking with us, but it had that slight sensual linger. Sorry for the length of this, but my question is . . .

If I wanted to game this girl, what would your advice be? We're probably going back there again for drinks in a week or so, as my friend enjoys going there.

Thanks

This is awesome advice, thank you Sexaddict911! i will start working on it...

What girls are you referring to ? I'm just talking about the ones who aren't the type to go bars/clubs. The good girls who focuses on their studies and parents. And when they are looking for some kind of intimacy, they're ones they can see value (long term relationships) etc.