I have been coming to this forum for a couple of months now, almost every day. I have to admit, it's quite intriguing. It's a combination of experienced and inexperienced minds in regards to pick up. What's truly fascinating, is the amount of intellect and knowledge, especially from some of the forum veterens.

What I initially imagined this forum to be was a truly synergistic environment, but instead It seems to be more of a battle of ego's( me included) and people trying prove themselves or having to. I can smell a lot of BS on this site but I can also see a lot of truly brilliant minds and some truly experienced people. I think it is in the best interest for this community to rather then debate theories or battle wits, we try to apply all this with one simple objective.

Throughout my observations, I have noticed one crucial and key element of pick up that is not discussed nor even in the for front. WOMEN!! What do we know about women. The simple truths, the commonalities. What we as individuals have learned in our lives and know it to be a simple truth. There is a lot of experience in this forum, and new experiences happening every day. There should be an entire section on this topic. Yes women are all different, but there's always commonalities, in every species on this planet. Call it unconscious, animalistic, or just hard wired in. The fact that this community has not already dedicated a fair percent of it's efforts into creating a pool of data, is beyond me.

Some people in this community that I would love to hear from based on their experience and intelligence are:

Pumpington
Papichulo310
Ezo
Skills360
Chief
Ryan Oceros
phangan
txacoli
Snarg
Agent Juliet
Warped Midless
Natural Playboy
Jackal Reborn
Madals
detox75
Adam
Rye Lee


I am sure there is way more, sorry if I missed you. These are just some people that I have been able to relate to through their posts.

All are welcome to post but I thought I would at least give props where they are due. All the people on the list above have in my opinion exhibited some of or all of the following characteristics, a high level of knowledge, intelligence, social awareness and experience.



If we don't have enough data, why aren't we seeking it in a structured format. I try to ask every women I have picked up a question about it afterwards. I could be wrong, there could be a million posts about women in the archives. But even if that's the case, why isn't it still not as relevant presently as it should be?

I urge anyone that does future pick ups to ask at least one question in regards to the pick up. If you do, PLEASE POST IT IN THIS THREAD WITH THE RESPONSE. Also I'd like anyone to post a simply truth they already know about women. Something you have seen over and over. There will be no need to challenge, nor to debate. The questions you all ask, will also be a simple truth, as it is the woman's response. when two people are intimate they are often very honest about what initially drew them in. It's the best time to ask.

Here are some questions:

What initially attracted you to me?
When did you know you wanted to have sex with me?
What made you decide to leave with me?
When did you know you wanted to kiss me?
When did you first notice me?
Did you notice me checking you out??.
Why did you pick me over the other guys hitting on you?
What do you like the most about the way I approached you
When did you start to feel comfortable with me?
What turned you on the most?
When did you decide, you were gonna hook up with me?
Was there anything I did, that you didn't like or care for?
What do you like best about my personality?

etc etc etc etc etc etc


I am sure you all get the jist of this. I imagine you can come with with some much better questions yourself. The point of this post is to create a thread/data base dedicated to what we already know about women or want to know. The more we post the more chances of finding commonalities Commonalites= simple truth. We can even give a post a thumbs up to indicate we have also experienced it.



I'll start it off with a couple of truths I know


Women tend to check out guys when we are not looking at them.

The best targets for ONS are girls in sets of two's or alone.

If an attractive women is out socially and she is wearing ugly underwear or has not shaved her legs/box, it usually means she is highly sexual and does this to avoid hooking up as she has a weak resistance to sexual advances.

Girls can flip their lids with a simple miss placed comment or action from you and lose attraction immediately.

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Seduce their mind and the rest will follow.

If a girl is pretending to be drunk when she is not and verbally tells you, if the girl is a flight attendant, or traveling for biz, if the girl is from out of town, A girl talks bad about her relationship or partner during an interaction....Or if she is Engage or married dancing too sensual with you or being too touchi touchi, easy SNL(Single Night Lay).


Universal Truth: Women love sex.

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I have nothing to contribute, but this guy? Papichulo310

Women hate being friendzoned as much as guys do. Call her by her last name, give her a high five or a bro fistbump. She will be wondering why you are treating her like one of the guys and why you aren't attracted to her.


Women love to shop. It's an area in the world where they're actually alpha over men. Let them be. Also makes a great first date to go shopping with her, so many kino possibilities. Make sure it's for you though.


Women love to talk. Silence intimidates them and they feel a need to fill it, even if they have nothing to say. Use silence to create sexual tension.


All women are insecure about their bodies. To get better sex, let them know (preferably non-verbally) that you love every part of their body.




Just from the top of my head.

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Quantity. For someday, you will find quality. And you gotta do something in the meantime.

Although I appreciate your effort and see that there is a lot of good stuff out there, I would like to make a comment on why it is so difficult to get a synergy. There are about as many methods as there are PUAs and they all work more or less. There are no universal truths really. We all have different personalities and our game methods are simply ways to compensate for or practice them.

Also synergy is difficult to accomplish, as seen in attack of the clones. Padme explains is to Anakin, the problem is that people does not always agree.

Yes, there is a lot of BS out there but spending some time on the forum you will learn who to trust and who not to trust. What you are trying to do in this thread already exists, in the form of a forum. This forum. The difference is that you have selected people that you trust to write in it.
It is not a bad idea but limiting yourself may make you miss stuff you havent thought about, variety is a great thing.

Maybe we should try to write a PU book together.

Anyways, the most important things to get better at game are these:
(In my humble opinion)

Dont fear pain or humiliation, anything is better than waking up tomorrow and be as lousy as you are today.

Learn from everything, a success, a failure, a dog, a cup of noodles, every situation.

Fight your inner demons, eventually they will die.

Listen to others, you can learn a lot.

Calibrate your game and be ready to change directions completely if your plan isnt working.

Improvise.

Dont be a dick but dont be a pussy.

Dont overthink how an alphamale behaves, focus on becoming an alpha male for real and it will come to you.

Dont ever do anything because you expect something in return. A girl is not an investment, she is a person.

Accept that you arent perfect, but dont accept to not improve.

Apologize if you did something bad but never for who you are.

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I'm not trying to be a dick Ezo, but you're being a Pick Up Snob in my opinion.

bbardot: you just reminded me about porn

If a girl says " I'm not sleeping with you tonight" repeatedly before any sexual touching or kissing has happened. There is usually a good chance she wants to sleep with you that night.

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Seduce their mind and the rest will follow.

So the charade continues. . .

To the 'veterans' of the forum: If you do not have the ability to filter bullshit, fine . . . you don't have the ability. But if you can see bullshit, call it. We've had plenty knuckle heads join the forum, blabbering about their bullshit well before this moron showed up. Some of you called bs, some of you have not.

Whether you decide to call bs in an online environment is up to you. Either way, if you can not figure out a way to weed these 'waste of time morons' out of your "REAL" lives, you will suffer from it. Think about this carefully as it will affect all aspects of your lives.

To the OP,

Your list is such an utter piece of shit guesswork, I don't even know how to respond. If you desire to "learn" from this forum, my advice from my first reply to you still stands, go get yourself a new handle and start off by asking questions.

However, you're too thick headed to admit that you've never gamed in your life. . . so I'm guessing you'll continue to entertain us further with your guess work bs.

To the rest:

Lying through your teeth and digging deeper to prove your bs is the most repulsive act of a man. There is a reason why the OP is a oil squeezing massage man who logs into forums filled with teenagers 'showing off' that he's a natural game/leader/alpha man. Do what you can now to avoid what the OP has become.

Listen little man, I have repeatedly challenged you, to a simple challenge of actually going out and showing your pick up skills, you continue to elude it. What i see from you is all talk. You are even older then I am, yet you continue to show how incredibly immature you are. Hate me all you want. Your pathetic attempts to discredit me are just showing your TRUE LACK OF EXPERIENCE. Anyone can spit out the shit that you do after reading all the material for years and years, but without the actual experience, its just words. You lack the social intelligence to be a true player, so pretend all you want that you are The KING OF PICK UP. To me you are just a short little man that has always had a hard time picking up women. You finally found a forum where you can talk as if you are a true player, just from spouting off shit you have researched. Good for you Kasabi, you can read well. But I know you lack the experience. Your attitude and personality is not that of a pick up artist, it is that of a short short man that has a healthy hate for true PUA's. All even go so far as to say I see alot of " Napolean Complex" ( if you're not sure what that is, look it up) So talk all the shit you want. I see right through you little man. Nobody is this annoying in real life. You have some serious issues. If I am such a fool, why bother even acknowledging me. It's quite obvious that my presence here threatens you. I don't want this to be another thread full of your ignorant hate. I opened an entire thread for the purpose of debating with you yet you ignore that. I understand you using my threads to get attention and thats fine. But I am not going to be sucked in by your childish bickering once again.

I set a challenge to you in two different threads at two different times. Until you accept them and are willing to prove you are not just talk. Your words have no value to me.


PUT UP OR SHUT UP.

All i hear from you is the same old shit, massage oil, blah blah, leader/alpha male blah blah. You keep spitting the same shit. GET OVER IT LOSER.
until you accept my challenge and show your supposed skills. You are nothing.

P.S. I read one of your lay reports. It was from only a couple of years ago. MAN! was it ever pathetic. I can see your knowledge of pick up has changed in the last couple of years, but I still doubt you have any experience at all. The irony of it all is that a couple of years ago, you were in your late 30's. You should of already have been good at this game. According to your ego. LOL if anyone doesn'[t believe me. Do a search for Kasabi's lay report. It has a stench of inexperience.

If you don't agree with my methods thats fine. But show some fucking maturity and go away. No buddy wants to hear your same old shit. It's getting tired and old LIKE YOU.

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Seduce their mind and the rest will follow.

SexAddict, while the ego stroking you get from 16 year olds looking to game during their study hall may work for now, at the end of the day consider that you are going to hurt someone's attempt to better their lives by spouting off random bs. Some kids don't know better and they will pay attention to whoever says they got laid last weekend.

For everyone's sake, at least stop making topics that are about you showing off, because you're 3 for 3 so far on making threads for the sole purpose of telling everyone how great you are.

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These hos ain't loyal

From another thread:

The flowchart of every troll who's entertained the forum:

1. Statement of greatness.
2. Bewildering posts of fantasy.
3. Justifications. "You don't know me." "It works for me because I am alpha." "You don't get it because YOU are inexperienced."
4. Anger and threats. "In real life, I'd beat you up."
5. Repeat steps 1 through 4.

Are you back to number 4 again?

Do you know how ridiculous it sounds for a grown up to be challenged to get "2 NUMBERS" at a bar? Seriously, how old are you? My non-gaming friends pick up 5-10 numbers on a Thursday night after work down town just by hanging out with professionals. Do you have any idea how retarded you've been in this forum? (I suppose you don't . . . which is why you continue to dig.)

Come on, offer us some pick up advice. That's why you're here right? You're not really here to figure out whether girls "look at us when we're looking at them or not" are you?

As to your other retarded comments:

Search a little further into posts made prior to your arrival. There have been 'synergies' here amongst experienced and non-experienced people. There have been shared ideas and thoughts. Delusional liars usually figure out that they're the butt of jokes and have fucked off; you've stuck around. Congrats.

DJ you may see it as random BS but it doesn't mean you are correct. I offer advice to whoever asks. Sure there is a lot of young people but there is also a lot grown men. My advice may not be the best in your eyes as I am still learning how to offer it properly. But I am trying and my intentions are good. I have read some of your advice and posts and you do show some good social awareness and intelligence. I am suprised however at the amount of hate you have for me. I'm just trying to help. You may see it as ego stroking but I can assure you it's not. I get enough of that from my friends. So rather then shit talk me. Why don't you try to contribute.

My experience is not BS. But I will admit I am still learning at giving advice. I am certain I will get better, with time.

You asked for my opinion once, did my advice not make sense? was it not valid? I am asking your honest opinion.

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Seduce their mind and the rest will follow.

You keep mentioning this Number 4. I am not angry or threatening you. You actually make me laugh. I find you very amusing. If anyone is angry its you. You even talk about me in other threads. You continue to ramble off the same tired lines.

As far as the challenge, its not just to get 2 numbers. it was 2 numbers and a kiss close or a SNL from HB8 or higher. And to exhibit our skills as a PUA. But if that challenge is a little too light for you we could alway up the ante.

Your words mean nothing if you are not willing to back them up. I am free again this weekend.

I have to admit, you are a great spin doctor. You should seriously consider getting into politics. The way you take things out of context and put your own spin on them is truly talented.

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Seduce their mind and the rest will follow.

The last couple of posts... LMAO!

:D:D:D

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I'm walking on sunshine! ;D

K-Sab is my dude. I'm ridin' with him regardless. Even if I wasn't... I noticed a shift in how this sexaddict guy responded when Kasabi called him out. What I got from his initial reply to K-Sab was he was mad... my boy called him out and bam... He tried to play it off like he wasn't mad. No caps in his posts. C'mon son. I see the diahrrea you spittin'.

K-Sab is a real ass n****! I put him on a pedastool, fuck it! Dude sounds legit and smart.

I remember K-Sab saying that you offer value and in return you get value. So K-Sab, if you have any problems with any of these lames on this forum, just send a PM. Here's the value I'm offering to you. (My previous work)

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Look there is a difference between Sexaddcit and Kasabi. Kasabi has build credibility though the forums. SexAddict you say you will help if people ask? Well I DO NOT KNOW IF YOU NOTICED BUT PEOPLE ASK QUESTIONS EVERYDAY. People on this site are always asking. Do they have to come to you to for questions. If you want to help purely for the purpose of helping you would address the people who ask questions on the forum. Kasabi has done this. This is how people have got mad respect for him. Not by telling people he got laid X amount of times.

Plus I don't think it's alpha to gloat. I could gloat my ass off for the purpose of an ego boost. However I don't because I don't need the ego boost. My experience is ego boost enough. Me helping on the forums is a way of paying back the community for helping me so much, I still have certain things i need to improve on.

Point in case: Kasabi is calling you out, claiming bullshit. Well can u blame him? You have no credibility, aside from your word. Your word on the internet does't mean much. If you want to build respect in front of the older member's you need to show your contribution though helping members here.

Don't make the mistake of thinking im new to the game or the forum because of my registration date. I've been in the game for 3 years and have read stuff on here for 3 years and finally have enough information to assist and the community in a positive way.

That's my two cents

~Mr.Confident