Ok, ive always considered myself a good conversationalist. however, i got into game to improve the attraction side of things for me.

So, i read and read. and liked 60 years of challenge.

The very first time, i tried this out. It worked like magic. I had nothing in common with this girl, but every thing i read with 60 worked on her. It ended with her finally giving in and making a move to kiss ME.

This girl flat out told me two days later, she didnt think we were a good match to date. I just did a good job on the attraction based things FINALLY. all my other attractive lays have always come from long and slow game.

ok, so what has happened recently. Is that some girls are not maintaining eye contact in set with me.

For example, here are the 5 girls ive tried gaming in the past week

1) wing opened a two set, i took the less attractive target. Probably a 5ish. She seemed VERY into me, my wing thought i was pulling her easy.

Then we went dancing and boom within 30 seconds she stopped holding any eye contact with me

2) Asian girl. very hot. Had no eye contact problems here, she seemed very social however. This just was a logistics problem and i didnt really do anything wrong here

3) girl last night i was set up with by a freind. quite average. And a bit on the socially awkward side. It took me about 5-10 minutes of comfort game to get her to actually even relax and let me in set. Once she was relaxed, she was obviously enjoying herself. however, she did not make solid eye contact throughought the night.

4) girl today. met online. Great body, average to below average face. She did not keep solid eye contact at all. Thought she was shy but having a good time. She claimed she was outgoing however. The waitress offered her an out saying she needed to close us out tab wise as she was off. This girl said she was having a good time and wanted to continue hanging out unless i had something to do.

We hung for about an hour and a half more. This time, i didnt even physically escalate. To see if i was creeping them out with the 60 bullshit. Yet she didnt maintain solid eye contact with us just talking mostly fluff talk with a few qualifiers thrown in and it ended in a kiss rejection on a walk to her car.

5) Girl in grocery store line. I opened with an opinion opener. she instantly hooked, but i failed to transistion and after the back and forth about my original opener died down. An awkward silence ensued and when i tried to re engage with a joke. lack of eye contact ensued along with lack of interest. This is the only conversation or interaction that I will admit was socially awkward on my behalf and i dont blame the girl for lack of eye contact.


CLIFFS: Since ive gotten into game, im doing something that is making it awkward for the girls to hold eye contact mid conversation. Ive tried simply not physically escalating and that didnt even help. They seem to enjoy conversation and not take any outs or leave set. Yet no eye contact is held on their end even during 2 hour dates

60s method seems to be mostly about escalation and screening, and the idea is to screen for same day lays, not to keep girls around and not risk anything in an attempt to build up interest in them, it is more of a fuck me, or fuck off method, you are trying to screen girls quickly to seperate girls that are interested in fucking you from time wasters, milk the intro to screen to see if the girl is attracted to you, if she lets you do that start being risky and risking being creepy by escalating hard, talk less, get horny, make good eye contact (this doesn't mean stare her the fuck down 24/7 never looking away, that is just domineering and intimidating, but when talking to her hold strong sexual eye contact), make the vibe of the whole interaction sexual, and keep the mindset that there is no pressure on you at all, all of the pressure is on her to either have sex with you, or blow you out, you should be 100% trying to get close to her and make her horny with escalation and wanting to either get laid or rejected, not to play it safe and not ''ruin it'', you want her to be going home with you, or fucking off so you can go find another girl to escalate on,

just escalate, and keep escalating and making things sexual until either sex or rejection, try to get her isolated and to a spot to have sex after an IOM, that is the whole idea (at least that is what I gathered from this)

so has anyone else experienced this eye contact issue with 60?

To me it seems that either im being super creepy

OR

That the less confident girls feel awkward and look away alot more then normal. Whereas the more confident girls, have no problem with it.

the hottest girls ive approached havent had an eye contact prob. but other girls seem like they are telling a lie to their parents during the whole convo and cant keep eye contact

I think 60 YOC said something about, hold eyecontact when your talkinng, but just hold face the rest of the time. "Face flirting" he called it. I think.

I've gone through phases of reading into how to attract women. The last time I did this I started looking into eye contact. There was a great video on expert village about how much eye contact to use to make people feel comfortable during conversation.

Before this I thought maximum eye contact was the goal, I was half way through University doing an undergrad, so far I had had minimal practical use of eye contact. I was also obviously scoring less than I'd have liked to. In any case I think this is a misconception that a lot of us get at first. That we should be starting the shit out of girls.

I can't remember exactly what the timing was, nor can I seem to find the video I'm referring too. I'm sorry. But it was roughly along the lines of this. When you're talking you should have longer periods of direct eye contact. The person listening should look look you in the eye and then look away after about 5 seconds and look back, then you can take a break. And repeat. It works out this way that the person speaking should be looking at the person they're speaking to a little more than the person who's listening looks at the person who's speaking. This is how people who are already comfortable go through eye contact, for example how you'd talk to a normal friend. This sounds to me like where you problem lies, that something is making girls uncomfortable after you start a routine, and you feel it's eye contact.

Eye contact is a key part of non verbal communication. Most of the stuff I've seen or read says not to look away first, for one reason or another. (some say dominant people don't look away first, some say it communicates that you're a strong person who's not afraid to go after what he wants). I'm still undecided on all this, but I know one thing for sure from eyeballing my students when they misbehave in class, and this is a trick you can use. Sometimes prolonged initial eye contact can get a little uncomfortable, if this happens you can diffuse that discomfort by maintaining eye contact but pulling a silly face. Scrunch it up like you've just tasted something bitter followed my a smile. Or just go straight for the smile. As soon as they sense you're not too serious about things they tend to break eye contact and laugh or giggle and then reconnect but this time without the awkwardness. Try it out. I gaurantee it'll work. I've done it hundreds of times. Mostly with students though.

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