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PostPosted: Mon Feb 20, 2012 2:24 am 
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OK, so I have been for 2 dates with this girl (25). First date really casual, fun at a bar, interacting with alotta people with her, drinking a lot :). Later found our own bar, lots of kino (thou she is quite shy, so it took a little time to build up). Goodnight kiss, and follow-up text with great response. All fine

A week later we went to the cinema. Just before going we got a beer in a quiet bar, just fun-talking (she mentioned, she had an appointment the next day), no kino. After leaving the bar, she asked, if I wanted to go for another beer after the movie. Then cinema, no kino (I didnt feel like it was the right thing to do). Then we got to a pub, got a beer, and she sat down on a bench a bit far from me. She mentions again, that she soon has to go. I busted her a bit, teased her, a little kino. But the venue was maybe a little too bright, huge, and public (and she is the kinda shy type), so I dont know if I pushed it too much. Then we leave, and hugged goodnight. She said, we should do it again sometime (blabla).

This is btw like one of her first dates after a LTR (5 years) - break-up ½ year ago maybe.
Are you getting the same disinterested picture, that I am, or am I reading too much into this, and she is just too shy and dont wanna push things? Or is it completely game-over signals?

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 20, 2012 2:54 am 
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Hi ranger24...
I am new here as well, but got good advice from my question so I will try to "pay it forward" and give my opinion...

I've dealt with a shy type before who had been hurt in a past LTR, and know what you are going through. Mine got all awkward in day2 goodnight kiss, and I took it personally that she wasn't interested. She explained to me days later in an email that she was hurt in the past and shy around new guys, and it takes a little to open up to new people.

In your case, I would guess that after her 5yr LTR she might have been hurt and super cautious of a new guys.
You may have to play the patient card for a while.
Press on for another date and see where it takes you. Choose a fun and light date (not a fancy dinner).
Personally, I have found the third date is my total evaluation of the connection and interest levels from both sides. If things aren't progressing, I hold up the "next" sign and move one. I hope this helps.


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PostPosted: Mon Feb 20, 2012 6:46 am 
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Don't read too much into things. She's shy.

You need to stop asking yourself when you're going to be able to F close, and start asking, "Is she worth the time?"

Years ago, I dated a girl for 6 months before F closing. Yes, these days things would have gone differently - but those 6 months were actually worth it, because she was a cool girl, we got along well, and after I'd gained her trust we had a voracious sexual relationship. She was just shy and guarded to begin with, like this girl is.

So, when you're with her, how do you feel? Do you genuinely connect? Are you just after the F close or do you actually enjoy her company?

Because shy girls often require a lot of trust and comfort before sleeping with you, and if sleeping with her is all you're after, she may be able to sense it.

To F Close this type of girl you need qualify, qualify, qualify. She needs to know why you like her and intuit that you want to stick around. You need to be an alpha, a protector and someone who always takes the lead. When you say you didn't Kino because it "didn't feel right," could it have been that her guardedness put you off? Because it shouldn't. Kino is a way of bringing her into your frame - which is that physical contact is normal, healthy and feels good. Kino her more and do it in a confident and natural way. Don't let her shyness get to you - she'll be able to smell your hesitation. Shy girls can actually gain CONTROL over their suitors in this way. Don't let her.


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PostPosted: Mon Feb 20, 2012 2:23 pm 
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Thanks for your responses.
Yes, I think she is really worth my time. Genuine connection with a both beautiful and intelligent girl (and single) is not common. I am really not thinking of F closing when I am with her. Think just I am trying to build up a connection and attraction, and see where that leads.
As "_Action_" said, I think that I maybe got scared of her guardedness in the cinema, and that maybe she even regretted that I didnt do anything there.
And I really see what you are saying about qualifing. On first date I really qualified myself (in a casual way), which really worked (making her wish she was a part of my life :) !! ). Thou the second time around I really didnt do this at all (only doing some busting and teasing).

But what now?
Should I text her back that I had a great time the other day (thou it could have been better, less awkward), and blabla that we should do it another time?
Or should I be wait to I find time for a new - casual and fun - date casual, and then ask her out again?


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PostPosted: Mon Feb 20, 2012 7:27 pm 
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I would recommend another 'casual-fun' to get her back in the comfort zone (rapport= intimacy +comfort-or something like that). then go out on a more romantic date, and phase-shift. let her know your intentions, that you're attracted to her and a looking for a LTR, not just casual sex.


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So yeah. We agree on that the next date should be a casual-fun one, and see where that leads.
But I haven't heard from her since the date. So to prevent nothing from happening should I text her that I had a great time and we should do it again sometime? And then get back to her next week with a date when I have time and come up with an idea?


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