Often when i open sets or i am talking to sets it will always be the less attractive ones that are cold to me and the more attractive ones that are receptive to me (and my approach).

It is soooooooo frustrating as the less attractive ones will try to blow me out, damm you!

SPAM i have no consistent way of dealing with this and i'd love to hear some ideas floating about on the general topic of 'dealing with female obstacles'.

(The way i open is with some funny comment or funny opener, and then just keep talking until they hook with lots of quick light cold reads and teasing, not much in the way of routines, just like improvising using techniques.)

Is there any chance you are ignoring the obstacle?


Imagine you were on a night out with your friend but everyone keeps talking to him and keeps ignoring you.
Now imagine how much worse that would be when you are a fat girl with a hot, skinny friend.

Would make you cranky too, right?


I find that it works best to keep your focus (at start) more on the obstacle than on the target. Especially when the obstacle isn't particularly good-looking, the target will like you even more. Don't overdo it though, if the target thinks you are hitting on the obstacle you're screwed because she won't get with the guy who just hit on her ugly friend.

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i don't ignore them, i almost always open the entire group

Open the group, but give special eye contact to the ugly one, make her feel special first, be careful though she may actually be convinced u want her, her value may go up too soon. Flatter the ugly one, for example u look like my sister, I love u so much.

Even better have a wingman sacrifice himself for the ugly girl. LOL

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Thanks i'll try that but sometimes it's almost instant, any other ideas?

hit on the fatty/ugly first, then move to target after, ignore the target, escalate on the ugly, then pawn her and move to target, you will get better responses from the fattie, if a fattie is giving you problems but you have compliance from her, put your arm around her lower back and place your hand on her side, right above her hip touching her hip, right on her fat, as soon as your hand is resting there, she can feel that you can feel her fat, this will make her feel insecure, you will be giving her positive attention, while at the same time making her feel insecure since she knows you can feel her fatness, this will often change her tune into trying to impress you, instead of trying to cockblock you (that or she will move your hand cause she feels uncomfortable with you feeling and knowing she is fat, it just reminds her of her fatness), it is better to just suck it up and hit on the fatty, then keep switching interest from the target to the fatty back and fourth, two girls competing to win you over is better then one girl interested and another one cock blocking

when handling groups, you really got two choices, win the group, ignore the target, move to target after winning group, so the group co-operates with you, and guides your cock instead of blocking it

or

hyper focus on target, not a shred of attention to obstacles, lock your target in physically immediately so that the friend can't lock her in and move her (put your arms around her, or hug her, get close and physical), don't acknowledge they even exist to the point it is so awkward for them to even be around they just leave you be, be persistent and block them out with body language, if a girl starts causing trouble and you have the target locked in physically, first try to get your target to help you, if she won't go against her friend, just give out commands, such as,

-STOP COCK BLOCKING
-DON'T COCK BLOCK YOUR FRIEND
-THIS IS MY GIRL, GET YOUR OWN
-HEY!, WHAT ARE YOU DOING, NO TOUCHY

make sure these come off as intimidating and dominant, but after shouting or doing this, do something friendly to relieve the tension a bit, (make a joke or a light hearted comment after doing these so you don't seem like such a dick and it turns into something fun for the target, rather then something serious and demeaning to her friend you want her to think you are a dominant and intimidating confident guy, but you are just joking around and tooling her friend a bit)

-STOP COCK BLOCKING (god stop being such a good friend, protecting your friend from terrible scum bags like me)
-DON'T COCK BLOCK YOUR FRIEND (she is never going to find the love of her life if you ruin her wedding before it happens, you can be our flower girl)
-THIS IS MY GIRL GET YOUR OWN (there is a cute girl over there, go make some friends, you seem friendly and cool)
-HEY!, WHAT ARE YOU DOING, NO TOUCHY (you seem really affectionate but don't try to get her to cheat, we are getting married)

make sure the original commands, are said, loudly with dominance and authority as commands, (basically yell and scare her), then the take aways say them in a friendly nice guy tone that shows your just kidding, basically you want to scare her enough so she backs away and can't do shit, but at the same time show the target you are not serious and are just kidding around (you need confidence to pull this off well)

Pumpington that is BRILLIANT!!!

I would almost bet that you are making the "fat ugly" girls excluded from the group or in some way making them feel uncomfortable and undervalued. Basically, as others have said you are basically giving their hot friend loads of attention which LOWERS the other girls self confidence and therefore in her mind she will need to knock yours down in order to justify to herself that you are just some loser. You are effectively putting yourself into a situation where the target is "picking" between you or her friend, obviously the friend is going to do her best to stop that siding with you.

Ultimately, I would say your attitude towards these friends is the problem and is causing you to treat them in the wrong way. So firstly, my best bit of advise to you is to stop thinking of them as "fatty/ugly" girls - if you get the impression someone was thinking of you as fat/ugly/loser/whatever, you are probably not going to like them very much - even if they are nice to your face, its not to hard to see through it.

Instead, look at these friends for what they actually are - probably perfectly fine people, but just not your type. LOOK for what value THEY bring to the group, comment on that value and actually BOOST what they think about themselves. You are trying to get them on your side, you actually NEED them to help you get their hot friend.

Now, as others have said there is a fine line between making the obstacle think you are hitting on them and just getting to be friendly. This is why I said you need to work out what value they bring to the group, because usually that is a great genuine place to start complimenting her without seeming like you are hitting on her.

As a side note, this is also a great time to use social circle game - bring in OTHER people to the group, merge groups, do the footwork to get them attention from other people. "wow, SubZero knows all these cool people, we never would have met X,Y,Z" - this then shifts their attention to the new people, and off of you.

Thanks pumpington your advice is very well thought out and cleared this up for the most part for, trying this stuff tonight!

Madals, just to note i am definitely not simply ignoring the friends (although sometimes i find myself teasing the obstacles too hard) and the title 'fat ugly' was merely to grab attention, i actively try to see the good in everyone and not to judge less attractive women, but thanks for clarity on this.

Since you are successfully showing us how much you despise those girls, and it even feels awkward to us electronically, I would guess that you show the girls that they are below your standards.

Never ever be rude to a girl just because you arent interested. If she is being a bitch, whatever but if she just isnt very pretty, dont be a jerk to her.

I open sets with all kinds of people in and I just have a good time, if a girl isnt pretty, she can at least be entertaining. Have fun, joke around, make them all feel like they are part of the fun, especially the obstacles.

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Ezo and madals are right, i would not hit on the fatty(don't do that), just include her and engage her(ask the fatty question is one of the best ways and shows interest), remember sometimes the fatties want to have control, and be the center of attention, just befriend the fatty... With that being said, in my experience they have issues, and they are a pain in the ass, and drama queens, but you got to engage them...Finally, make sure the target is not giving the fatty rescue codes(girl code to get me away from this dude)...

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