There is a wild raging debate here and everywhere about what is better..

I have just spent a weekend away surrounded by woman (due to lack of men) and played the direct card with all of them. Result = success.. but why?.. why did it work now and not many times before?.. why do others complain about looking desperate?..

ok.. here is my theory so far. Please remember, I am not a pick up artist pro, but I have bedded over 200 girls and have my moments..
I am someone who struggles around woman I like yet I am now noticing a big pattern

So...

With direct and indirect; you need to break it down further. What is it that you are trying to achieve in general?..

A: you are trying to get a woman to buy into the idea that you are worth her being with. Period.


So with indirect, we do this by giving the impression we are not that interested in the girl. The message says 'I am self sufficient and don't need you' (hence all the payfull negging/walking away etc..) so you become that challenge where a girl wants to win and keep your attention. She wants to become something in your world and for you to add to hers.

Direct, we do this (if done the right way) by storming up to a girl in a confident manner and asking her for what we want straight away. Its like,- you can be on my radar now.. but you can see from my confidence I dont need you because I can do this to any girl and I have success hence my confidence in doing this. So you become (in a way) a challenge because you assert authority and a feeling that you can play the field. Again, she wants to become something in your world and for you to add to hers. The message? -'I am self sufficient and don't need you'

Girls want someone who THEY can cling onto, not the other way around. No caveman ever jumped on the back of a female to cross the river.
In the year 2012, we have become Cavemen with iphones. Dont kid yourself about it being anything else.

I say this girl recently who I met a while back. We chatted somewhere for 10 mins back then. At first she looked interested when we chatted and then towards the end, she looked disinterested and she wouldn't even look at me after.
She is friendly with others I am friendly with so I could see her reaction towards me everytime I saw her.

So I saw this girl again on the weekend.. I was on form. My confidence was high and we got chatting alot over a couple of days.. I was confident and being direct with a bit of humour. When you are confident (I wasn't first time round).. you are awesome.. you know you are. I was awesome this time.. funny,, bit cocky and everything else. No real game plan, just being a cock around her.
She was eating out of the palm of my hand. She got drunk and said 'yeah when I first met you. i thought you were a bit dull... but now I see a different side to you'.

I was saying at points 'i would love to take you back to my room and watch you bite my pillow until the sun rises (direct and she loved it) then the next evening I said about her not really being my type, but that she is a fun girl (indirect and she loved it/became more interested) ... it was the same.. just my inner game. That feeling of feeling good about yourself.

Im not dull.. but when I want a girl, I fall into the trap of asking those boring questions and offering nothing.
The minute I am confident and don't give a shit,,, I shine and they come running.

Direct or indirect -I am being sexual with woman. It seems to send a message that you are exciting and again, if you are comfortable enough to ask for sex, then you are a comfortable in general. Don't brag about being good and don't beg. Just bring it into the conversation..it really keeps their interest.

moral of the story?: I really think it is about your inner game. Inner game makes up for a complete lack of game. Show that feeling of being happy and confident. The brighter the light, the more insects you attract

Just my humble opinion but I welcome any differing opinions...

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I totally agree. I cant see it any other way. Being indirect might get one laid but at the end you wont be happy because the techniques picked up the girl for you and not yourself. The best way to go and feel happy and accomplished at the same time is actually being yourself and not being the book full of PUA techniques that you read.

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You guys are right, but this discussion is pointless. It doesn't fuckin' matter how you open. Most of the times, after my 3rd or 4th set, I can't even remember how I opened. She knows I wanna fuck her whether I explicitly say it, or I talk about the furniture.

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Not pointless at all. There are alot of people getting into the game and trying to find their feet wandering if they should be direct or indirect. My point is quite simply to focus on your inner game as I think it just allows things to falls into place.

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Though I agree with you, and it is all just an inner game, I believe that for an average guy getting into the game it is a long walk from hearing that it is all inner game to actually learning that to be true. And there are no short cuts, except for hard work on yourself.

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Sure.. so they should stop spending the time focusing on the direct and indirect thing and spend that time working on their inner game. NLP, hypnotherapy, EFT, practice sarging, Gym, breathing exercises, .. grow a little bit more every day.

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