I think you missed his point in OP.

He just said that the player lifestyle is not as Rosy as it seems.-I didn't see you arguing against that.

He also outlined problems, most people, who do have the skill in getting that lifestyle face, due to various reasons(the one OP concentrated on is inability to handle intimacy)

The same way most people can't handle a total player lifestyle, most people can't handle(be happy with) a lifelong monogamous relationship-as you mentioned. I agree.
However, we'd be foolish, to cut down available options, to those two extremes. The conclusion, imo is each person should find, his place on this scale for himself. Sometimes going too far, sometimes not far enough.

peace.

If that was his point i totally agree with it..

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this is where the problem lies, there is no correlation between the problems and the player lifestyle, you can face these problems while not being sexually promiscuous, you can also not have these problems while being sexually promiscuous, success with women will not be defined by age, but by a guys motivation and how much effort he puts into chasing girls, furthermore women's interest is not in our agenda, you can play the leave her better card, but it is just a justification for your own self interest and chances are you will pursue a girl weather it is in her best interest or not, and how can we even have the right to dictate what is in her best interest in the first place?, after that the op suggests to not pursue women and find success in your life first and once that is taken care of pursue women, but really why?, why is that necessary? it is not needed to become successful with women, nor is it fair to say not doing so will cause you problems, emotional stability and maturity will vary from person to person and a lack of those two things will not necessarily be changed by success socially or financially, and there is no reason why you can not pursue financial and social success while you pursue women at the same time, that once again comes down to motivation and effort

this is where the problem lies, there is no correlation between the problems and the player lifestyle, you can face these problems while not being sexually promiscuous, you can also not have these problems while being sexually promiscuous, success with women will not be defined by age, but by a guys motivation and how much effort he puts into chasing girls, furthermore women's interest is not in our agenda, you can play the leave her better card, but it is just a justification for your own self interest and chances are you will pursue a girl weather it is in her best interest or not, and how can we even have the right to dictate what is in her best interest in the first place?, after that the op suggests to not pursue women and find success in your life first and once that is taken care of pursue women, but really why?, why is that necessary? it is not needed to become successful with women, nor is it fair to say not doing so will cause you problems, or doing so will prevent them, emotional stability and maturity will vary from person to person and a lack of those two things will not necessarily be changed by success socially or financially, and there is no reason why you can not pursue financial and social success while you pursue women at the same time, that once again comes down to motivation and effort

agreed.

You can play the " To leave her better than we found her we must know what better is" card. It's a shitty card in my book though. - saying "you don't have the right to know what's good for someone else and what's good for you might not be good for someone"- is a cowardly thing to say. At least don't harm them. Since you're a human you can put yourself into her shoes, and that alone gives you a good guideline to act by. Since your'e going to act anyways, you can at least try not to harm them along the way.

Why would you want to do that? Simples: you're a man. Being a man has a lot of benefits, so yes, even protecting woman's interest is part of our agenda and for many reasons-ego satisfaction is not the least of them. You can find a 1000 reasons not to be good to people or not to act at all, just standing on sidelines watching the live path by-it's your choice. In the end you're the one to decide and with bare minimum of intelligence, you'll be able to protect your standpoint in arguments.


But there is always a reason to do good as well(what you think is good/the best you can do). One simple and extremely powerful/justified reason-because you want to. It feels great. Egoistic-hell yeah. Wrong? I don't think so.

If I had to pointout one major trait that makes us different from all other creatures(which is the basis for my way of reasoning on this issue) that would be-irrationality. Whether its good or bad is up to everyone to decide for himself, but its certainly interesting.

Other animals/insects/creatures, follow their instincts, which in the end have very rational objectives. It's acting according to your will that makes you a man(both as in a male and in a human sense) We don't only act upon our needs, but also upon our wants.

Even if there is no good reason, but there is a willingness to do so(and once you cast away all your insecurities, grudges and other BS) you know it is there-it's worth trying.

I didn't read all the replies, but there was nothing about getting financial success before getting success in PU.

However, maturity...that's certainly important...and complicated...

How do we get maturity? From experience. Often times from negative experiences as well. I do agree that lack of maturity should not stop your drive for success.

Saying you need to be mature before even attempting to meet women-is like saying that you want a girl to be a virgin, and be amazing in bed at the same time...would be definitely awesome but very unlikely...

i know, this all probably sounds to you as immature bullcrap...but there is only one thing I ask you of.

Be a man. A real man. Whatever your definition of a real man is.-I like it...I think I'll add it to my signature...

See this is what i understood from the op, and as i said pumpington is right!

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I think other people are arguing because they´ve never experienced those situationts,maybe they´re emotionally stronger or maybe they´re just delusionals people,i dont know.

When i discoverd the world of PU,i completely changed my life, i went clubbing every week and pulled bitches ,i just fucked them with the intent of ´´leaving better than finding´´ ,i thought i was in paradise,i felt so strong so cool so.....unstoppable,yeah i was convinced that i could pull all the womans that i desired,i´ve even ruined 2 precious friendship because i liked to make them jealous of me and i did it on purpose

......one day,last year i was in a ´´relationship´´ with a ´´club meat´´,i was leaving for another country in a couple of days and had already ordered the flight tickets,i was ready to say goodbye and thank you to that girl(i was happy,3 months of fucking!),and she said: ´´ ur a liar,u just used me.....you ´ll come to bad end......´´
A week later just the night before my flight i went out with my friends in a pub,we drinked a lot ,after that we had a car accident,my friends were fine but i´ve broken my perlvis and my skull,i lied in bed for 2 months,i couldnt even go to the bathroom,i really believe that was a god punishment for my behaviour...............

I realized:

1- I´m an extremely weak person
2-My emotions are all fucked up
3-I always accuse others for my mistakes,but deep inside i´m just a little bitch
4-I dont trust anyone..........not even myself
5-i´m addicted in finding external validation

6-I was just playing a role ´´the little deluded guy´´ ,i thought i was so cool and so succesful with woman,but in reality i could only pull bitches and easy girls who´d go with anyone

Thats my story

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izumi, sorry to hear that. How are you doing now.
mirage man, exactly.



Ok..After 2 n' half pages and being explained twice by 2 people. you should prolly Move on.


The title says - Sex, Intimacy & The Ladies Man-not for everyone
Thats the subset, cud be a bigger one but not the whole universe, why is it being understood as the whole universe.

Why are you stuck on this ?

Did you miss the part where I said this
2)
The title says - Sex, Intimacy & The Ladies Man-not for everyone Thats the subset, cud be a bigger one but not the whole universe, why is it being understood as the whole universe.

Since you bring up correlation, lets talk in those terms

On a bell curve, with a 0.95 confidence interval there is always going to be 2.5% on both sides in the tail. You may be on the higher end with absolutely no problems at any point in time ever in your entier journey, Okay we get it, fine.

Neither Monogamy nor Polygamy in itself raise any issues but the lack of knowledge, commitment, skillsets (in the true sense) and Maturity to live these lifestyles is what creates problems.

If an aspiring PUA, frustrated of his AFC days, is trying to get from 1 as fast as possible to 10 (on my scale explained a few posts back) then he should know that life is not that rosy either on the otherside. His frustrations will get no lesser but only different if he doesn't manage his way through this entier process.


I see what you are saying, but disagree. Unless one is as dumb as a vegetable, you'd have some idea, most of the time, whether your actions may hurt someone or not. If you say you never have an idea of how your actions are affecting others then how do you pick up women in the first place?
Point out the part in the OP which leads you to make that conclusion.

- At pumpington -

1) Might ≠ Absolutely Will
2) Emphasis on the underlined part again

Now read this part again
Let me know if you come back to the same conclusion

@Marc

did you not see how that was a response to the mirage man and not you?
the whole post was basically a summary of the first one
are you trying to suggest there is a correlation to the player lifestyle and emotional problems if graphed would exist on a bell curve, with a 0.95% confidence interval?
because that certainly seems like mis-leading data to support your argument to me
this was part of the original point, most of the times you can take a shot at where your actions will lead, but does that mean you will halt your pursuit, just out of interest for the girl?, I absolutely doubt 90% of the needy desperate guys on this forum would stop pursuing a hb10 they knew would sleep with them, just because she might only do it cause she was on a rebound off a boyfriend and would regret it later, or because she was too drunk to stand, or try to fuck her when she was in a relationship (haha it must not have been meant to be right? she was going to cheat anyways right?) how exactly would that be leaving her better then finding her?, read some of the oneitis posts and you should get a feel for this kind thinking, and much more would put girls through much worse just to get laid without giving half a fuck about what happens to the girl, sure if you can find mutual benefits HURRRAHHHH, but if you can't but can still lay a hot chick 9/10 guys on this forum would do it anyways then backwards rationalize that they did the girl a favor, further more point out to me where I said that you never have an idea of how your actions are affecting others, there is a huge difference between dictating what is ''good'' for a person and not being able to demonstrate empathy and social intelligence

NO, you are the one who suggested that plotting problems and player lifestyle would show no correlation
I'm picking your example and explaining in your own terms that if People with absolutely no problems at any point in time in their journey to polygomy - right side of the tail - where you are probably, And people with LOTS of problems/issues with polygomy left side of the tail. Everyone else somewhere in the middle. Okay, you didnt have any issues, fine we get it.

there you go, pointed out
might find difficult to handle, assuming you will face the problems, and it ''might'' be hard to handle, or it ''might'' be easy to handle

And you see a problem with that?
Join Both the sentences, the one that I've bolded.