A friend of mine is dating this guy and has been on and off for about a year. I want to sleep with her and maybe become more than just friends. Either way as many of you know, the boyfriend is a huge problem. Here are some of the variables I'm working with. She really really likes this guy, despite the fact that she played around on him a little bit many months ago. She is a very fun loving girl and is very easygoing. She trusts me a lot and even defends me to her boyfriend. He has told her that he doesn't trust me (which makes sense) and has even sarcastically called me her "other boyfriend." My problem is is that she loves just being friends with me. In the end this is fine because I really love her friendship, however I sleep with a good deal of my female friends and would like to have that relationship with her. Her and I spend a lot of time together and she knows everything about me and my life and finds me very interesting and feels very relaxed around me. On paper it looks like everything is set, but I think I am deeply stuck in the friend zone. Could any of you help me out with this? Thanks

Ok so you want to sleep with her even though
So she trusts you and now you want to trick her by using a routine to fuck her

Yeah that is a good point that I just either ignore or forget sometimes. The whole boyfriend destroyer thing is a bit of a moral dilemma, but in this case you're right. I still don't know what I'd do now if things naturally switch with us, but that's very different from actively using game. Thanks for the quick one two, it can be easy to lose oneself.

Don't ruin their relationship.
Don't ruin that guy.

I'm putting myself in his position. My girlfriend wants to marry me, and I see a future with her. She "really really likes" me, and I really really like her obviously.

If all of a sudden she lost all attraction because of something some guy was telling her - and I found out.
I would be heartbroken, for months probably depressed. Because when you're so far into a relationship, and you've mentally set your mind up with "This will be my girl forever, she wants me to be her man forever", and then it's just gone because of persistent deception or whatever, it will fuck you up and take away your own time as your life will obviously not be enjoyable until you repair.

Then, blaming someone for what was taken away from me, I would (and so would 95% of the male population) get back at that guy with violence. And if It's obvious the ex can't win, he will bring friends/weapons/friends with weapons (lol) to tip the outcome to his favor. It makes sense doesn't it? You would do the same after all.

But with retaliation aside - that's not even the point. You will be doing serious harm potentially to two people

Screw the moral bullshit. Here's a way to sleep with her:

Set up a "girls night out" kind of thing the next time she comes to you saying they've been arguing and the like. The key with this is to make it seem like it's almost a date, but not. Go out someplace new and exciting, then go back to your place for a nightcap. You will just happen to have some wine in the fridge. Make sure it's cold at your place as well. This makes sharing a blanket inevitable.

If you've never ran any cold reading gambits on her, now is a good time to do so. Here is also a good time to drop that you don't see cuddling as necessarily sexual. From here you just very slowly escalate. I usually start with spooning because it puts your hand on her stomach, which is very sensitive. Light joking, light escalation. You can end with the evolution phase shift.

I've done this countless times to women with boyfriends/husbands and it works like a charm.

Why would you want to do that? Sorry but seems like a pretty dick move. As you said you sleep with a good deal of your female friends, you really can't put one off limits?

Yeah guys I agree, thanks for pointing that all out and what not. Its strange I've been kinda loosing my moral base for quite some time and lately its really seeming to boil over. Strangely, years ago I was on the bad end of that situation, however lately I just feel numb when I consider doing it to someone else. The worst part is I use to be intensely against it and never thought I'd do that to someone. I think when you haven't had a serious emotional relationship for a long time it impacts your feelings of empathy with others in situations like these. Either way thanks for the responses and giving me a good reminder about that sort of thing. Hearing even the most obvious basic things from others is sometimes all I need. Thanks a lot guys for reminding me its more about lifestyle and self-improvement than being a all is fair in Love (though this is admittedly not love) and War asshole.

Good stuff. Honestly, +3

Thanks again.

On a side note, I think we learn pickup and try to improve ourselves to avoid this kind of sneaky or low moral behaviour. We can leave that kind of crap to 98% of the male population! You will eventually become good with women and they will become attracted naturally. So if in 5 months she becomes attracted to you and jumps on the loctus bandwagon, you did nothing wrong