@phangan
Well said! Player.

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Seduce their mind and the rest will follow.

What player said is true , yet the fact is the "smart , intellectual and sexual good boy" is by definition a person that creates emotional attachment to get sex.

I you explain it so everyone will understand.

1 Ex : I go to a club and flirt with a woman for over 30 minutes and by talking to her you will create "rapport". I take my time to know her while also being sexual and promise to call her.

I got rapport , the more rapport (time spent with her) , the longer the translation to bed.

You can get 4 solid numbers every Friday and Saturday night and those women will not flake because the time you spent with her (rapport + comfort + being sexual). YOU PRESENT YOURSELF AS BOYFRIEND MATERIAL AND THAT IS WHY ALL OF YOU COMPLAIN ABOUT LMR.

THE SMART INTELLIGENT MAN ALWAYS GETS LMR.

2 I go to a club with a clean shaved head , full beard and a biker jacket and hit on every living female creature by being bold and sexually determined and creating no rapport . You can get more numbers this way and yes the "flake factor" is bigger , but those who do not flake will not put any resistance.

I AM BOTH A NICE GUY AND A CAD. I AM A DOM. (watch American Psycho )

THE KEY IS TO BE BOTH AND SWITCH IT DEPENDING WHAT YOU WANT.

Divide and conquer.

You are right. The key is to have all within you. But switch depending on what SHE wants. We all want the same thing, the seduction.

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IF YOUR GOAL IS TO GET SEX NO MATTER WHAT THAN YES DO IT DEPENDING ON WHAT SHE WANTS.

IF I DON'T WANT TO SPENT TIME ON DATES AND KNOWING HER , THEN I WILL SWITCH IT DEPENDING ON WHAT I DESIRE. EITHER I GET IT LIKE I WANT OR NOT AT ALL.

Bro, I have no idea where you get this from... I get zero LMR. I mean, I keep telling myself "she's gonna stop me any second now.... this chick hardly knows me!" and they just never do... part of it maybe is that I'm traveling, they know I'm not going to be their boyfriend, but I think it has more to do with "being sex worthy" and sexual all the way, and them knowing that it's coming. The only LMR I get is from girls I pull in less than 1 hour... if I spend any longer than 2 hours with them - LMR goes down to zero. Not even token.

But you're right on the calibration part - you need to give the girl what SHE wants and needs. But now what I want to concentrate on is scanning quickly as many girls as possible with the "what are you doing later" question and then spending time only with girls that give the "right answer"

ANY OTHER SIGNS that a girl might be ready for a SNL?

"part of it maybe is that I'm traveling"

You answered your own questions.

I don't think it accounts for all of it. I had no problem with this when I was not traveling too, in my home country.

I have had many many ONS in my life, whether it was from meeting them in person or from online. The one thing that was common to all the ONS was me building a rapport. I have had maybe only a few women that actually picked me up right away and wanted to go and have sex immediately. To be honest, these women scared the shit out of me. I wasn't sure if it was a set up, and they were gonna have people waiting to try and rob me, or if this women had some sort of hate for men and was trying to give me some sort of disease.

What I am saying is, even know everyone on this site claims that instant ONS can happen every night. It is illogical, and goes against the natural grain of a women's thought process. Unless you are spending a lot of time that evening or day, building comfort and rapport. It's just not logical. I can see it happening a lot easier for the super good looking man. It's still not logical. without time spent.

There is so many creeps and weirdo's out there in this world. How can a woman feel safe, just meeting a man for 2 minutes then going and having sex with him?

I think if you asked a woman or women, How often they would just go have a ONS without screening/sizing the man up first, you will find the answer to be next to "NEVER".

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You're spot on when it comes to "very good looking". My wing is VERY good looking and two weeks ago we opened a set in the street, spoke with them for maybe 15 minutes when one of the two asked him "do you want to come to my place and have sex?" it was after 15-20 minutes max... very very little rapport building or anything. We met them, they offer us to join their friends - it was just a group of Polish hipsters, she liked how he looked like, and that was it. They were all very sexual, when I asked their group "how do you all know each other" they said "we fuck each other"..... and they were serious about it. It's just luck and looks... honestly if I was that good looking I would probably sleep with a different girl every day, there is no night in which a girl doesn't throw herself at him... but most times he just doesn't do a move, out of shyness or whatever.

It is, however, possible to improve your chances with a little "tactics" as described above. I'm looking for more people to join in this effort of compiling a SNL mega post but nobody seems to care................................ I'll do a search for SNL posts and try to compile all of them into one post, it will take me a few days.

I also think it depends where you are located. I know that Europe is far more liberated sexually then North America. I am in Canada, it's even harder up here. We don't even have topless beaches. lol But in Euro, there is places like Ibiza, the sex festival in the Ukraine and so much more sexual festivals. So yeah location would have a huge factor.

Start a thread dude, I'll be more then glad to throw in my 2 cents I am sure their is others that will participate too.

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WHAT SEX FESTIVAL IN UKRAINE ????

I'll be honest with you - I think the thing about European girls being more easy is a myth that was maybe true 100 years ago, but today... you don't have "girls gone wild" and Mardi Gras in Europe ("show your tits! show your tits!") ... I think American girls are super easy, don't know about Canadians.

If I told you that I can pull consecutive ONS in matter of minutes with 0 rapport , would you believe me ?

All of you think in terms of "game".

There are ways to increase efficiency (after 3 am , in the club ).

YOU DO NOT NEED RAPPORT WITH THIS TYPE OF WOMEN.

What I am using is very advanced and it's not just what I say , how I say , how do I project or my image , it's all of them in one.

Just like there is an alphabet for the words we use , there are reoccurring patterns to human responses.

Ex :

Me : " I don't like to beat around the bush so I am going to be honest and open with you , you are very sexy and I want to exchange orgasms with you." ( dominant , powerful , honest and hold an intense eye contact )

THERE ARE ONLY 2 POSSIBLE RESPONSES : YES/NO

A EMOTIONLESS NO IS A NO.

YES HAS THREE VARIATIONS :

1. SHIT TEST
2. SHE GETS SHY or WEAK TALK
3. SHE JUST SAYS , YES LET'S GO

SHIT TEST : " I HAVE A BOYFRIEND' , ' WHY WOULD I SLEEP WITH YOU ?" BUT DOES NOT LEAVE ME OR BREAKS ESCALATION

TO GET PAST THAT YOUR REPLY SHOULD BE :

"YOU CAN SAY WHAT YOU WANT , BUT I WILL NEVER APOLOGIZE FOR BEING A MAN" and just leave for a few minutes.

9 out of 10 when you approach her again she will act like she is in love with you. I am doing this consistently on 9 and 10.


SHE GETS SHY

"I DON'T WANT TO MAKE YOU UNCOMFORTABLE , BUT I CAME TO YOU AND DID MY JOB AS A MAN .. I'LL LEAVE YOU FOR 5 MINUTES TO RECOVER" and just leave for a few minutes.

When you approach her again you don't even have to get rapport or be sweet or playful , you can actually talk to her about everything.

YOU CAN MAKE BOLD STATEMENTS AND CREATE SHOCK , BUT YOU LEAVE AFTER THE SHOCK ON A HIGH NOTE ( THE PURPOSE OF THE TAKEAWAY) SHE WILL GRADUALLY REGAIN COMPOSURE AND HAVE AN HONEST DISCUSSION ABOUT SHE LIKES TO GIVE HEAD OR EVEN GET FROM HER A THREESOME THAT SAME NIGHT.

IT'S A MINDFUCK , BUT THERE IS A PSYCHOLOGICAL FLOW IN EVERYTHING.

AND YES I AM THAT GOOD.

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Yes, I can see how this can work too, after 3 AM. It's basically shock and awe. I tried it a few times, all but one stayed there and talked with me about it, and were.... "convinceable". I tried it maybe 6-7 times, it was many months ago so I'll probably do much better now. I like the going away and coming back, you need to let them digest it and it makes them feel they "lost the chance". Great post. If you have more to add, please do....

So yea, pre 3 am game, post 3 am game, slutty girls game, smart girls game, getting a "solid number -> lay on day 2" game... there are so many ways to do it. Master all types of game and you're unstoppable.

I still can't see it working efficiently, On average, how many flakes do you get before you find one that will leave with you? Are you saying you can pull this off every time you go out? And if so, what type of bars are these and where?

I understand the concept of shock and awe, I also understand it takes an overpowering persona. I understand the whole "mind fuck" and that you would have to be in a power position.

I would love to see this happen. Is there a way you could create a video of this?

I can see the possibility, but it's still not logical to me. When i have attempted such things, it was not as bold as your claim and I never did the " Ill give you time to recover thing. Perhaps I will try your specific technique.

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Seduce their mind and the rest will follow.

@phagan : Yes , my thoughts exactly. You are one of the very few that truly understands how to be efficient.

If you are interested in how to create your own threesome , transform ONS into fuck-buddy , going on dates for free or how to make a woman fall in love with you fast , send me a PM. I see a lot of potential in you.

@sa911 : Try it. I will never post any photos or videos of me ( I look like a blond Christian Bale ) , I let my words speak for me.

*You don't have to literally say "I'll give you time to recover" the idea is to make her understand that you are not needy and giving her space but on the same time direct.

*English isn't my first language and this being a word to word translation it sounds better in my mother language.

Yes , every time I go out, the later the hour the bigger the chances , also I can scan in seconds if she is looking for a ons ; it's instinct now.

I always go to high glamour clubs when I want to fuck.


Later edit : I would like to hear suggestions and ideas from both of you.

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