No. the "5 minutes' line is when she becomes intimidated. Very few men provoke this kind of reaction in women.

She said "Lovely" sarcastically and then left. I can't visualize the situation correctly but I would say she wasn't interested in the first place (even I get rejected sometimes) and it didn't go smoother since she probably didn't hear and you had to repeat what you said.

Take it slow , be more incisive and until you gain more experience and confidence try it on women that are stationary or semi-dancing.

The way you approach is also very important , never lean over to speak into her ear.

What you say , how you say it and your image should be in congruence.

The first girl was intimidated/shy, if not the second

I was inexperienced at that point though and just said "ok".
With a smile but still sarcastic and walking off: no chance for a recovery line without having to pursue her in any case, which I've heard is a mistake (let her chill, get a drink, etc).
Got it. Thing is, it doesn't seem like there are many girls who will take the kind of stationary position you describe. I've seen one, but she was about 40

I guess my next best bet is the bar. Is it ok to try for someone sitting down on their own?

Cheers

You mention other methods end up in just being a friendly chat, that's when you drop the BOMB. After or during a friendly chat, there is nothing that says you can't transform into a sexual beast half way through a conversation. That is exactly my style. Once I think a woman is comfortable enough with me, and see's my potential, this is exactly what I do.

I have been known to be chatting with women about anything friendly for a while, then out of the blue I will drop something like. You know what, I gotta be honest with you, You very cool and easy to talk to BUT I also find you incredibly sexy, In fact every time I lean in to talk to you, I can only imagine what it would be like to kiss every inch of your naked body. ( wait for her reaction, if it's positive) I think we should get out of here. Let's go. If she pauses, and say's no not yet, or in a bit. just keep playing the game. Sometimes women want to have a few more drinks, or dance a little before they go. Just keep the sexuality on overdrive. You are now transformed from the "friend" to the "sexy beast" if it seems too much for her. Find a healthy balance between the two.

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Thanks for the tips, SA.

Anyway, tonight:

Awful night. I started out pretty confident again. Went out on a general bar crawl. Acted like I'd known most of these people most of my life when they gave me mixed reactions. Used fairly bold openers, e.g. told people on different bar crawls, as a joke, "Aren't we supposed to be enemies?", then dug into conversation. Opened one group of people by telling them to look after my jacket flirtatiously. The guy starts acting like a dick, banging his head against a table. I accuse him of trying to be rid of me or something, I can't remember what I say but he simply argues that he is beating his head to the beat of the music. Whatever. I disarm him by doing the same (beat my head against the table), they laugh, etc. Then he CONTINUES to act like a dick (can't remember what it is he does exactly), I don't care at this point anyway, since I'm not trying to get laid with any of these girls anyway, just establish social proof, etc.

Earlier, I was flirting with these two girls, one of them was an 'indirect' approach to the other girl (I tell this to the guy I am talking with later, he tells me jokingly I am an arsehole: fairdoes. He also tells me the other girl has a boyfriend; I tell him I don't care, I will just move on to the next girl, etc, etc. He doesn't listen for some reason and tells me the same thing again at least twice ). I open by noticing she is writing something on the other girl's t-shirt. I offer to sign my autograph, tongue-in-cheek. Can't remember what happens then but I'm not successful in anyway.

I try to open a bunch of girls. One of them has her bitch shield on (she blocks me off by pushing her arm infront of me to talk to her friend). I don't know how to react, I just try to show her up by acting like I have known her all my life in a casual/mocking way. She asks me what her name is, I just guess wrongly. One other girl seems interested since I am acting so casually/amusingly but I really don't know how to cope with this kind of pressure so I inevitably just move on after trying to deflate the bitch shield from this other girl several times. I then move on to another group of girls; my jacket is parked next to them - I accuse them mockingly of trying to steal my jacket. They seem entertained to begin with. I try the cube on one of the girls. She keeps on reporting back to her friends what it is I am telling her, etc. I try to keep her friends entertained also. Then eventually she gets bored or something and asks me "Do we know each other" - I can't remember any of their names even though they all introduced themselves to me like ten minutes ago. She tells me that they all have boyfriends. One of them is a really big guy I am supposed to be afraid of, shock, horror . I tell her that I can befriend the guy, its no problem. She then tells me they are gonna talk about girly stuff, i.e. periods, etc. I tell her I don't care then I try to sound less perverted: just talk about it privately, I say. They tell me bluntly that they want me to go away. I don't have any means to deflate the situation, so I just go.

I approach this girl in a bar, can't remember what I say. I remember this guy tells me I'm an arsehole, I laugh to myself: at the time it is merely an ego boost because I am so drunk and that is my mode of thought. Anyway, I use apocalypse on this girl in a bar: before I use apocalypse opener, she is willing to talk, then she starts pushing me away, etc, etc. once I tell her I think she is sexy and I want her in my bed. I tell her I will give her 5 minutes to recover, she says "No, don't", etc. still pushing me away. After that, I go to this other girl, eventually. I ask her "How are you?" She tells me to fuck off. I also ask some other girls if they want to get into a bar for free on the way back home and I have no intention of getting laid whatsoever; they tell me to fuck off also

Life is great

Honestly, some of these people were right to act the way they did (after all, if all I'm trying to do is get laid, then that is fair does, I guess). Other people were just complete dickheads: I just felt like saying,

"Hey, you know what? If strangers never approached each other no-one would ever get to know each other or make friends."

Fuck 'em.

Edit: oh yeah, I forgot to mention, I approached these girls on the dance floor but I have no idea what they were trying to say, the music was so loud.

Dude, there is a good chance that all the F-bombs were coming out because of how drunk you were. Never get too drunk when working for a seduction. Find your happy place( perfect level of alcohol), and stay there. Slow the drinking right down. Also by the sounds of it, there is a good chance all these girls seen you approaching all the others. This can make you look like a troll. Once they witness you getting shot down, it becomes herd mentality, coupled with heavy intoxication and it's a recipe for disaster.

Once people pass a certain point of intoxication, they no longer have any validity or value to anyone except those that already know them. You can be the hottest/best dressed/ wittiest mother fucker on the planet and it will not matter.

At the end of the day, you have to decide what you want more. To become a PUA and do seductions, or if you just want to be social and get drunk.

If it's a P.U.A. try to keep all interactions positive, even if the girl is not into you. Keep it positive and learn from every experience.

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I have managed to stay completely sober the last few nights. Unfortunately, I met some laddish friends who I hit it off with and knocked a fair few down right from the start, so I guess I got too drunk
That's true but there is nothing much I can do about it; I mean, to approach women, I can't even be thinking about this kinda thing in the first place. I was just expecting some angry boyfriend to turn around and punch me in the face most of the night, not that I cared especially.
Screw that.