You're equally as blind seeing as you implied that I am narcissistic (which, to some extent is valid), when the entire PUA literature embodies narcissistic elements such as manipulating women to get what you want from them under the guise that somehow she's benefiting equally, maintaining the so-called Alpha frame that you're the "prize" and that (manufacturing the illusion that you're better than her, and yes, most guys buying into this view won't draw any distinction between having high self-confidence and being almost completely egocentric), providing tips on how to breakthrough a woman's LMR for the sole purpose of bedding her. Sure, you can argue that women do the very same thing to men, and that this is just flipping the script to get what you want instead. But for all intents and purposes, these 'techniques' are used to appeal to one's own self-interest, rather than creating anything egalitarian between a man and a woman. Am I judging? Yes. Does this mean I don't advocate any of these techniques? Nope, not at all.

Just calling a spade a spade.

So the next time you feel the audacity to call-out someone on their narcissism (particularly on a PUA board of all places), think, and just remember that for every accusatory finger you point at someone, there are 3 fingers pointing right back at you.


Ah, the comedy you numbskulls provide me was certainly worth the price of admission to this clown posse parade show.

Thx, and keep up the good work!:D

Stop trying to save face, and stop placing so much emphasis on what people say about you online. Get on about your life guy, it's really not that serious.

I rest my case

And due to your replying to every comment made to you on this post you can't say your much different.

Toodles.

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Whatever you've got to tell yourself to cope. Doesn't sound like you're quite convinced though, say it a few more times like an affirmation, that might help.

Toodles":&)

You can be a pua without narcissism. I myself am a bit cocky at times... but I'm humble at heart. One of my most appealing traits is my confidence. It's not because I loath myself, it's because I'm comfortable being myself. I'm very upbeat and open, I'm not jealous in the least and very few people have seen me in a negative state of mind. I never go put others down or belittle them. If I feel the need to break a man down, I turn to myself to look at what needs built up.

I was giving you some friendly shit to begin with and cracking back and forth playfully. There is no need for defense mode. It's all fun and games.

As for my line. I'm dead serious! Use it, if she asks who Mephistopheles is. Just go into some seductive discussion about him being the underlord of sex and seduction. Tell her you're a mythology buff and built attraction with your intelligence.

Narcicissm isn't the same as being a PUA, it's a personality disorder. I have a friend who suffers from it and girls find him obnoxious. He might get some attention initially but it doesn't take long for everyone around to become irritated by his behaviour.

Exactly! I've got a "buddy" who is the same way. The guy is every women's dream physically. He's a pro wake boarder, really good looking and well built. Has money and social value. He's been on real world, viva la bam and a bunch of sports shows. But the guy is so narcissistic that he rarely gets laid. Most girls actually hate him. Narcissism spawns from a deeper issue. It's a cover up for one's own shallow self worth. Basically the narcissistic man is a man who has a low self image. It's a cover up.

it's all good in the hood

I'm doing a thesis project on narcissism, particularly how it manifests on Facebook. There's a great misconception about narcissists, that they have low self-esteem. The literature suggests 2 types of narcissists; 1) those who, as you suggested, falsely projects a high self-esteem to mask and ultimately protect a frail ego, and 2) those who genuinely have very high self-esteem.

The later group actually report high levels of life satisfaction, lower incidence of depression and anxiety, and are generally moderate to high functioning individuals. This counters the notion that all narcissists have low self esteem, as previously thought. Interestingly, some theorists and clinicians regard narcissism as healthy. In fact, Freud, Heinz Kohut and others suggested that its a part of normal development. Freud spoke extensively of primary narcissism, where the child is focused almost solely on caring for its own ego, and secondary narcissism where attention is focused on an object outside of the self, namely other people (e.g. romantic interest). Narcissism, according to this theory becomes malignant when something happens in this natural process, whereby the person never develops beyond the primary narcissist stage.

In other words, some narcissists truly believe that they are better than everyone else, and typically care very little for relationships. Their sole purpose of having others in their life is purely instrumental; to help project back unto them an idealized version of themselves.

You sun-ova-beech!

LOL I see what you did! :flippingoffwithbothhands:

hah, wasn't by design but I decidedly took the conversation there.

I subscribe to the trait-factor model; narcissism is a personality trait that exists within the general population. In some contexts it can be highly valued and desired (think CEO, military, anything where there's a strongly vertical hierarchical structure), whereas in others it can have deleterious effects (e.g. family, anything of an interpersonal nature).

Society, in my view has become increasingly narcissistic, and this trend will increase significantly over time. Why? Our culture breeds narcissism. The whole pursuit of the Self, being one's own person (often at any cost) is by and large a product of the entire self movement; people expend an inordinate amount of time trying to express how they differ from everyone else (e.g. the clothes you buy, the color car you chose, the Facebook page you'd spent endless hours creating to cultivate a certain image you want the world to see).

We're all narcissists, it's just that some of us are more so than others. Get used to it.

So; lord pistachio, are you going to use my line?

Narcissistic Personality Disorders, as per the DSM IV TR is a PD, but this will no longer be the case with the DSM V.

Narcissism, however, is presented as a personality trait in the general population, as per the predominant model of personality development known as the Trait-Factor Model. This model puts forth the notion that narcissism exists within every individual, but will vary by degree. In other words a person, such as the friend you described earlier may not meet the criterion for clinical narcissism (NPD), but may rank high in trait narcissism, sometimes referred to as 'normal' or subclinical narcissism. This is what I've been talking about, primarily.

lol I doubt it as it doesn't bode with my style and would likely come off as inauthentic, and I don't wear a cape, hold a whip, nor dawn a mask and call myself Zorro (simply because it'd be too inconvenient to workout in).

You have style!?!?!?

I think I'm going to try it myself then... I think it will work best on day game. Too complicated for clubs.