Went to some bars last Saturday night and made up my own opener. I walked up to a group of girls and said "this girl outside just got nailed for dui." Then I would say she resisted arrest and fought with the cop for a few seconds and it worked well on this one group of girls and I talked with them for a while one of the girls even asked my what my name was right away, but I couldnt close the deal. Other people were open to it and would say thanks for letting us know. I took that as sign that they didnt want to talk to me anymore so i just went on my way.

hahaha great opener.....but if you wander around a club using the same opener everytime people will start to overhear you and you will loose sets because people have heard exactly what you have said and what you have said \

good post i might usethis

Why couldn't you close the deal?

I didnt know how, im a beginner. The ebook I have says to use mini dates but i dont know how to set it up. It doesnt get real specific using step by step techniques for the dummies out there like me.

I see. Ok, it's good that you're being honest, obviously.

First of all, yes, mini-dates have their purpose. Sometimes you need them, sometimes you don't. Basically, before you go into a venue, you should know what' right within walking distance of that venue. If you have some good rapport going with a target, and you need to isolate her, simply tell her to bounce with you to one of the spots nearby. You can bounce once or more than once. If you bounce more than once, that just means you go from one spot to another spot, or one venue to another venue. Simple. Even moving to another spot within the first venue to initially isolate could be considered a mini-date. For instance, if you're on or near the dance floor, you could isolate the target to the other side of the venue and sit at a table, where it's quieter.

From there, kino escalate, look for IOI's to go for the kiss close. If you can get the kiss close, which shouldn't be too hard if you've got the girl comfortable with you and you're steadily building attraction with her, then you can easily get her phone number if you have to time-bridge.

Which ebook are you reading right now? MM?

The ebook is called "Art of Approaching Women" by Chris Matthews. How would i go for the kiss?

Oh ok. You definitely need to read MM, otherwise called The Venusian Arts Handbook. If you don't have it pm me and I'll tell you where to go to get it.

Going for the kiss. Well, here's the basics. Watch for her to give you those puppy dog eyes that tell you "please, please, PLEASE kiss me", or watch for her eyes to look at your mouth, because that means she's imagining what kissing you would be like. So . . . SHOW HER.

Either just lean in and meet your lips to hers, or cup her face with your hands, then lean in and meet your lips to hers.

Or, if you want to get hotter with the kiss, reach around the back of her head with your hand, lightly grab the back of her head and some of her hair (not getting rough, yet), and hold her mouth to yours.

Another thing is looking for IOIs is hard for me I know what some of them are but I dont focus on looking for them cause im so wrapped up in thinking of what to say and how i should stand and my nerves are going crazy.

Yet another reason you NEED to read MM.

And the rest of it, the nervousness, comes down to inner game.

Also, here's a thread that lists the IOI's you need to learn:

viewtopic.php?p=60510

its great

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