I met a natural awhile back and so I have been trying to absorb a lot of his game. I have learned a lot, his mid-game is solid, but he basically only gets so many girls through social proof from the university. He has been a pretty good wing except for this time. Anyway here's the story:

I had a girl (hb7) and she had a friend (hb8). So I hit up "natural" and we took the girls out for a wild night of four wheeling and hot tubbing. We had them both isolated and got the k close. During comfort my target (hb7), revealed some trust issues. I sympathized and told her i wasnt like all of the other guys who just wanted sex. She didnt believe me and I was cool with that, bc thats fine I am not just after that and she will see.

Moved on from there and got some heavy making out. Dropped the girls off and everything was solid. The next day and then two days pass, I don't hear from here. Ok thats cool so I send a funny comfort text, get a response and mention briefly about seeing her again. Ok no big deal, so i call a few days later and it was kind of cold. Unusually cold for after how attracted and invested i thought she was at after the date.

Then I figured out what happened. My wingman, the natural told me that he told his target he is after just sex and would only like a FB. I think thats awesome that his game messed mine up, but how do I go from here? If i had to do it again maybe a little more comfort, but other than that the game was pretty well played. Didnt over escalate or anything like that.

I think I have atleast two choices:
A. Go in act like nothing happened and she will probably give me the cold shoulder.

B. Go in and confront the issue head on, tell her I am not like the natural and I meant what I said.

C. Something else, open to all suggestions and input!

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Go in acting like nothing happened. Dude, that is entirely up to him what sort of relationship he is looking for, and if the girl is going to assume you are lying because you have different goals, just means she isn't for you.

And, as always, game other girls.

Just talk to your wing and tell up not to bring that up around girl. Natural or not, that is something you don't bring up.

There's nothing wrong with bringing it up, you're just perceiving the topic totally differently. Assuming he really is a natural, and has an abundant amount of poon at hand, he's not on the same moral plane as most other people. The issue of hurting the girl's feeling or activating her anti-slut defense becomes irrelevant after a certain point because you have so many other options that it becomes a PRACTICAL necessity to bring this point up to screen out girls who will bring emotional drama into your life. He isn't thinking "better not bring this up, might lose her," he's thinking "better bring this up so I can quickly dump her and go for a different chick who IS ok with it."

I'm not saying one mentality is better than the other, just that it's not true that you should "never" bring it up. It's just a matter of how you see things. This video by Tyler Durden from Real Social Dynamics should elucidate further: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vva3Fdw-2kA

As for the situation at hand, DJ_Z has it right. If you backpedal and try and justify it or comfort her, you lose too much attraction to pursue her. No girl wants a guy who TRIES to convince her "I'm not an asshole!" She WANTS an asshole, just not one who makes her feel like a slut. Do you really think you're gonna be making her vagina tingle by supplicating to her and logically convincing her "I'm not my friend! I'm not only after secks!" ??

And if you confront the situation too boldly, you might break too much rapport to calibrate physically.

The key is AMUSED MASTERY - remain calm and cool as fuck. You are the Dalai Llama of pussy. BUILD emotional rapport with her (cuddle while watching a movie, talk about personal topics, reveal secrets with each other) but DON'T bring up the issue of you not wanting only secks. Ironically women WANT men who only want secks, they WANT assholes that every other girl wants because they want to feel like they can TAME you.

If you TAKE that away from them, where is the CHALLENGE? If YOU'RE the one trying to convince her that you want more than just secks, WHO IS THE PRIZE? Don't pedestalize her.

FLIP THE SCRIPT ON HER. Whenever I'm in a situation like yours, a certain tactic works wonders for me:

Her: I don't wanna do this, I'm afraid you only want secks
Him: Huh? It wouldn't matter... I don't have secks with girls I'm not in love with

Seriously, throughout my life I got more pussy saying I don't want secks than saying I do. That one line, "I don't have secks with girls I'm not in love with" will SAVE you. It diffuses the situation because you're not after "secks" directly, BUT PRESERVES CHALLENGE. You still retain the power position.

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Wait, I do not see where is the CB.
You buddy told HIS target that HE was looking for FB. What it has to do with YOU and YOUR target?

Answer is act if nothing happened because actually nothing happened.

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Assuming he really is a natural, and has an abundant amount of poon at hand, he's not on the same moral plane as most other people. The issue of hurting the girl's feeling or activating her anti-slut defense becomes irrelevant after a certain point because you have so many other options that it becomes a PRACTICAL necessity to bring this point up to screen out girls who will bring emotional drama into your life. He isn't thinking "better not bring this up, might lose her," he's thinking "better bring this up so I can quickly dump her and go for a different chick who IS ok with it."
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This is exactly his mentality, u got it. Hes not really working on game, just out for one night stands and I am trying to take in everything he does right as well as does wrong. His goals are different from mine, where he just wants quick hook ups with no attachments. Me I want several different girls at the same time. A few mltrs. Partly because it will help me get better at mid and end games, but also bc i like having a bunch of girls. I may have to also consider and be selective of the girls I bring around him bc if i want to keep a girl around, trust could be negatively broken as it was here.

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As for the situation at hand, DJ_Z has it right. If you backpedal and try and justify it or comfort her, you lose too much attraction to pursue her. No girl wants a guy who TRIES to convince her "I'm not an asshole!" She WANTS an asshole, just not one who makes her feel like a slut. Do you really think you're gonna be making her vagina tingle by supplicating to her and logically convincing her "I'm not my friend! I'm not only after secks!" ??
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Good tips, I agree. Can't fight this logically.

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The key is AMUSED MASTERY - remain calm and cool as fuck. You are the Dalai Llama of pussy. BUILD emotional rapport with her (cuddle while watching a movie, talk about personal topics, reveal secrets with each other) but DON'T bring up the issue of you not wanting only secks.
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This is also good, but Im thinking trust might be broken to where I cant get her out again. I thought building comfort over the phone would be a good idea, but it may be all done.

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Her: I don't wanna do this, I'm afraid you only want secks
Him: Huh? It wouldn't matter... I don't have secks with girls I'm not in love with
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This would work too, but it's not congruent with me. If I do have sex with the girl , then I have to face the clinger issue and/or the fact I lied to the girl. If this is true for you then thats cool. I just don't have sex with only girls I love and I wouldnt lie to a girl telling her that.

Thanks for the advise. I think overall something like that shouldnt be a problem in the future. Maybe if I did an even better job of building comfort then I would be good. Bringing it up with him doesnt work though, bc its his life, his goals. Just bc what he says to another girl shouldnt harm my chances with one girl.

Gaming other girls, but ill let yall know how this goes

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Agreed. There was no CB here.

Your friend did well, don't blame him for your mistake. When she complained about past guys, you supplicated. Hakuna gave a good way to answer her, I would have said:
"Don't worry about that. I'm different from any guy you've met before."

Of course it wasnt a CB on purpose. But nonetheless it served as a CB for me. Maybe with a little better game its not even an issue, but I cant blame him for the way he handles his girls.

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Nein. Just straight up not a CB. He didn't do anything that hurt your chances. You hurt your own chances. Realize that, analyze your mistakes, then learn from them. I'm telling you that his statement to his girl did NOTHING to your situation.

Live and die by your own choices bro.

Ok guys, I've been waiting for this update. Finally I got the details.

Alright, so I'll take the rap for messing up in comfort, but if my wing didnt do what he did it woulda been no thing.

I havent really heard from my target in this situation, just here and there and when i hit her up right. We saw her the other night at the hookah bar, she was talking shit, so we went over and said hi, me and my wing. My wings girl is totally into him so it was cool. We talked to them for a bit, and it was weird bc she was still throwing me a ton of iois. Didnt really get it, but I assumed she thought i was a player and couldnt trust me (where i blew it in comfort) but oh well i didnt care.

So my wing has been talking to his girl, he is totally into her. I got her to say she wanted to come to his surprise bday party tonight. I invited my target too, and she made some bs excuse, cool. Then she called me tonight, i didnt answer, but she texted to call her back. I did and she wanted to know about the party. Later that night the party fell through. So we called my buddys girl and she wanted us to meet them and a friend at the hookah bar.

We show up and they greet us. The third girl gives me a dirty look and iods me, so i bust out "dont start with me, ive eaten girls like u for breakfast." Didnt really understand wtf that was about at first, but it all made sense in the end. Meanwhile my old target is throwing me iois all over the place. Truth is attraction is not a choice, investment is lol.

Anyways those two girls end up leaving without my wings target. It was really funny bc the guy they got to pick them up asked for my number right in front of them lol. But my wings girl stays behind and tells us how much shit they talk about us. How were players etc etc.

I learned two main things tonight:

-The power of attraction and investment: my wings girl ditched her two best friends, sold them out, for my wingman. This is huge and understanding women now i understand how big that is.

-How girls can be scandalous. And to be careful, this girl isnt using me for parties. Of course this turned out for the better, bc from what i heard about this girl, shes crazy.

Glad I figured this one out finally, hopefully someone can learn from this too!

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New update on this:

It's been a few months now and I know what kind of wing this natural is now.

He eventually tried with his girl, but got LMR and messed up, never sealed anything. But we have been going out and I have been improving significantly.

Anyway, I have been getting options and girls regularly now, and I have realized I can't trust this guy. He will do anything to get himself laid and leave me in the cold. The other day he tried making a move on one of my girls. I wasn't worried, but a lesson in watching out for these kind of guys was noted. Be careful of these guys that will say anything to manipulate others and get these girls in bed.

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He's lucky I'm not his wing. I would AMOG the shit out of him every set I got (the asshole wing taking another guys girl) That's bad wing code and terrible bro-code.

haha yeah. Lucky for me i put myself in a position where nothing he does can affect me. My girl is loyal, and i don't depend on him or need him as a wing. Plus i just don't care that much. He doesn't know i know what he's been up to, but if i get a chance to take one of his girls and I actually want one of them, then I'll take it.

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Alright so I've been still going out with this guy getting girls. There is so much to learn from him. Mainly his instinct, he is always on looking for more girls. He also has really subtle ways of directing any situation towards his desired outcomes.

Anyway the other night we went to a party and he hit these girls up as back ups. They were an 8 and 9 hooters girls. The 8 has been his girl, so he hooked it up and went back to their place. He winged me really good and I got in with the 9. Damn she was so hot. I am not really sure why he winged me, maybe he knows I can lead him to more girls, but I am learning from this guy and he's still hooking me up with girls, even if I can't trust him.

If there was a situation where he had the hotter girl, I would be willing to AMOG him to get the hotter one. Any good ways/lines/ or tips on doing this? This guy is really socially intelligent, but deceptively so.

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