White knight - aka pure nice guy. Compliments and other acts of chivalry. Does it work?

Assuming she is already attracted to u is there any point in negging when u first meet a girl? Would being nice and flirtatious like seen in the movies work on women? I grab attraction early off easily since i lost my 70 pounds and was left with nothing but muscle and a chiseled face. Assuming girls already find you attractive + added in alpha body language, can you just approach with a line like "damn girl ur legs must be tired caus you've been running through my mind all day" and continue with white knighting (flattery and smooth lines and nice guy mannerisms) and get the girl without even thinking about dlv'ing or bothering with negs? Could it work? I never bothered trying this crap when i was as ugly as sin lol.

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At the end of the day you need to ask yourself, am I a sheep or a wolf?

Try it out?

Here's one reason guys go after Mystery Method:

The whole deal behind value, negging, storytelling, etc, is that you need to demonstrate to a woman that you are a socially acceptable sexual partner. Most direct "methods" center around keeping things sexual, which you can do while maintaining a chivalrous attitude. I've said it here all the time, you don't have to be a dick to get girls, you just need a spine. Kindness and confidence are not mutually exclusive.

That being said...could you please never use that cheesy line at a bar where I'm gaming

The problem with the usual nice guy is that he's a total vagina. That being said, you don't have to be a complete asshole to be successful in here. It's all about being confident and trusting yourself, it doesn't really matter in my (subjective) opinion if you're naughty or nice. I personally prefer being seen as a nice and classy guy rather than a douchey asshole, cause I feel like I'm more like myself that way. So, by personal experience, I'd say being a nice guy isn't bad, if nice doesn't exclude confidence and (insert your favourite quality here).

Oh, and before I forget, that line from ''The Fresh Prince of Bel-Air'' sounds WAAAAAYYYY too made-up and prepared. You should try to be more natural about your game!

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Giving a fuck is the first step towards deception.

That can work but there is no reason to do it, it doesn't make you cool, a good person, or successful.

YES this will work! Chivalry is not dead....It's just a matter of when to use it. Just as negs or attitude will work. From my personal experience, the best openers are the Polite/Chivalrous ones. They leave less room for error or instant mis- judgement.

One can always progress to the "bad boy" or smart ass after a chivalrous opener. But use a "bad boy or "neg" opener that is received in a negative manner, their is a good chance you are shut down completely.


A truly skilled PUA has all of the tools on his belt. It's not a matter of what approach you are using, what decides how good the PU will go is ones ability to react accordingly to the targets reactions. That is why every PU is situational to the woman at hand. The sharper your wit and and ability to read her reactions, the better you will be at progressing the Pick up.

A polite opener will usually always get you a genuine reaction.

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Seduce their mind and the rest will follow.