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Logically, if someone (eg. me) is attractive, people will obviously look at them a lot and give them plenty of sexual attention, they certainly wouldn't ignore them. Now I'm very logical so I simply base my opinion of my own attractiveness on the amount of sexual attention I get from girls, which is zero (as they all ignore me and never even sneak looks at me), therefore my attractiveness is zero, therefore my worth as a sexual human being is also zero.
girls don't give sexual attention much, it is really rare, they don't want to seem easy, a girl giving sexual attention is usually the equivalent of her trying to look at you when you're not looking, or smiling at you when she talks to you, or after being caught looking at you
If a miracle occured and I suddenly started getting girls looking at me, like you lucky guys seem to get all the time, then I'd start thinking of myself as attractive. Until then, how on Earth do you expect me to logically change my opinion of my own worth as a sexual being? :S
you have to go out and take action for a long time, you need experience and reference points that challenge your current perception of reality, right now you are focused on external validation to make yourself feel better about yourself, when you don't get this validation it lowers your self esteem, as a by-product you will become more desperate for this validation and in term sub-communicate your low opinion of yourself generating less confidence in yourself and the vicious cycle feeds into you fulfilling your own view of yourself due to people not valuing or validating people that don't value themselves, if you can't love yourself neither will other people, the validation you crave so desperately you should give to yourself and not care if others like you or not, care about if you like you or not, this will as a result raise your confidence and self esteem and you will start as a by product of confidence and self esteem seeing more external sources of validation as people like to be around other people that make them feel good, and how you make other people feel good is pretty simple, just feel good yourself and the emotions catch on and transfer from person to person
lol, dude, you have some weird ass perception of reality, most girls don't exactly through there pussy at every guy except you, if they did this forum would be the ''how do I stop all these girls from trying to fuck me forum'' , not the ''how do I get more girls and better quality girls to fuck me forum'', just about every guy, even the most physically attractive guys who are super charming, and awesome, with money, still are likely to face more rejection then lays, you can hypothetically go on a hot streak, but it is still more likely you get more no's then yes's unless you want to invest into a relationship with every girl you talk to, get over your issues, if you think you are worthless and shitty, then you are going to just communicate this to people, if you are ugly then you are ugly, that is life, you can become fit, you can stop being so negative and self loathing if you work on yourself, and you can approach alot of girls and go through all the no's it takes to get a yes,
but really you should probably go see a doctor and tell them about your issues, you seem really depressed, and should probably try to find some help instead of seeking girls as the answer to your problem, I guarentee even if you do get a decent girlfriend you will still hate yourself, you will still feel empty, you will still feel unattractive, nothing will change except you will be desperately neurotic about losing the girlfriend you have, and it will drive her away (this is just my prediction), and on top of that you will be more depressed once you realize nothing changed, but with your current attitude the chances of you getting any girl to want to be your girlfriend are pretty low
I am seeing a therapist but it hasn't changed a thing, I'm still depressed and systematically ignored by girls. It's almost like womankind is determined to constantly ignore me until I commit suicide out of frustration.
that is good man, continue this, it is always good to have someone to talk to when you are feeling fucked up, as for girls ignoring you, it happens, it is not a big deal, don't let it get you down, instead don't ignore them and go try to meet them and make friends, once you can make friends with girls, you can then move onto trying to get a girlfriend, any guy, no matter how he looks, can make friends with a girl
I still dispute this ridiculous idea that if I got a sexy girlfriend I'd still be depressed - you clearly have no idea how I feel if you think I'd be anything other than in paradise if I managed to get a sexy girl who wanted me. Mind you, you make a reasonable point about me getting paranoid of losing a hot girl if I ever got lucky enough to get one.
actually, I was in the same situation as you when I was 17, my best friend lost his virginity when he was 14, I was really overweight, I tried and tried my hardest to get a girlfriend, I wanted a girl to kiss me and to feel happy and complete, I tried talking to them, they all shunned me and ignored me, and the ones that did talk to me were rude, I just gave up, I was so depressed, I honestly believed that not a single girl in my life could possibly love me, I was doomed to be alone forever and having a girlfriend was only for good looking guys like my best friend, I even got rejected by ugly girls, I stopped trying to get girls in highschool, and instead just focused on making as many friends as I could and partying, I started to really enjoy highschool and had alot of fun and met alot of people I liked, I became fairly popular but still did not have any confidence in myself at all when it came to girls, I just figured, nope too fat, no girl could possibly like me who was not worse off then me, then it finally happened, when I was 17, I had two best friends, one was a guy, the other was a girl, I was hanging out alone with the girl and had already known her for two years, it had been 3 days since she had broken up with her boyfriend, she asked me to kiss her at a bus stop, I thought she was joking and just looked at her like she was weird, I couldn't believe she would actually want a kiss from me, but she stayed persistent and tried again when we were alone in her basement at her house playing diddy kong racing (she was actually pretty well known in school for being easy and sleeping with alot of guys, and had low self esteem and some other issues with her dad that I will not get into), anyways long story short, I considered this girl a 6, but too me that was better then anything I could have ever hoped for because I viewed myself as a 3 maybe a 4 at best, I really liked her as a person and enjoyed spending time and lost my virginity to her, we dated for just about 2 years and she fucked plenty of guys while we were dating behind my back (I did not find out about this until we broke up), but the thing is, when we started dating I was amazed that I got a girlfriend, but I realized something strange, even though a girl finally liked me, nothing had changed, she it was the same as before except now we had sex and made out, I still felt like shit, I still felt ugly as fuck and when we got naked I felt self concious and anxious about what she thought of me, I still thought of myself as a 3, I was still depressed as shit, nothing changed, she did not fill that void that I thought she would, and sex turned out to be not as amazing as I thought it was, It was about as amazing as masturbating but more of a work out, but just like you, I thought as soon as I get a girl friend I will be happy, but that just plainly never happened, eventually I realized that only I can make myself happy and no one else can do that, and I can feel happy just because I choose to, but dating her gave me some experience and a positive reference point, I realized that I was not universally un-attractive, sure some girls found me unattractive, but some didn't my friend then when I was 20 got me into this pickup stuff, and after I read the MM, I read about how it was about 20% looks and 80% survivability, It gave me a bit more confidence and I figured it was just my personality that needed work, so I started clubbing and trying to pickup, I got fairly good at cold approaching and meeting people, but I still basically only got rejection and when my best friend would wing me he basically got approached and hit on and didn't have to do anything, so I decided no, this book is fucking wrong, fuck this wizard guy, I stopped going out and I fixed the main thing that made me feel depressed and insecure (I more or less worked out every day until I lost almost 100lbs), before working out I figured, heh girls will be all over me, they will just hop on my dick when im fit, it will be awesome, but that also never happened, I certainly feel better about the way I look, but I realized girls are usually more shy and insecure then we are, and they don't just hop on your dick, they are neurotic and overthink everything and want to make sure you are not going to judge them or make them feel bad, but I did notice that looks matter a whole lot more then what mystery said, I will admit I get rejected alot less and girls treat you much better, but there are still girls out there for everyone, even if looks do matter and you don't possess them, going out and meeting more girls is better then doing nothing and not taking action, and even when you are good looking, girls still don't usually approach you and just throw their pussy at you, you gotta go meet them and throw your dick at them and re-assure them that there is a reason you want to, or else you are just pissing in the wind
Quote: you just have to be a happy person that respects himself and believes in himself, no matter how ugly you are, if you approach enough and have this attitude, eventually you will find a girl who is not purely superficial and she will fuck you, but you have to be reasonable, most girls who have 30 guys lined up trying to date her are going to pick the best guy out of the pile, you either gotta work on yourself until you can be the best guy, or find a girl who will fuck all the guys, or lower your unrealistic standards
So this girl would reject 29 out of these 30 guys just because they weren't lucky enough to be genetically blessed enough to be the best? See this really pisses me off, girls go on and on and on and on and on and on and on about wanting love, yet they seem to spend their entire lives mostly just rejecting guys and preventing them from getting to have sex with them - WTF?! Seriously, why do girls seem hellbent on constantly cockblocking guys from getting with them, yet hypocritically pretend they are kind, caring people who want everyone to be happy?!
The easiest way for a hot girl to spread happiness & joy is to fuck a load of guys, but oh no they won't do that, so why do they claim to care about people's happiness?
they do care about happiness but not at the expense of a possible pregnancy with some guy who can't support her, who can't take care of her, who doesn't care about her, and who she doesn't want to be around and doesn't even find remotely physically attractive, you have got to improve yourself until you can offer those things, and looks are the thing that matter the least because sure if you are generally ugly alot of girls will see you that way, but no matter how you look, there will always be a girl out there that finds you physically attractive, always, just like how some guys have a big fetish for super fat girls, there will be a girl out there that has a super fetish for how you look, you just have to find her
Beauty is like a massive bank account that never runs out of money. If one had a massive bank account that never ran out of money, one could donate to loads of charities, tramps & poor people and end poverty, and still the money would just keep coming. Similarly, a hot girl's sexy body and beautiful face are like an incredibly valuable asset that never depreciates (for several years anyway), and maintains its tremendous quality regardless of how many times it's used for sex with guys. So why won't hot girls use this brilliant asset for good, and devote their lives to delivering sexual satisfaction to millions of guys, and still never run out of beauty or have their beauty diminish? (Of course their beauty will inevitably reduce as they get old, but what I mean is that their physical beauty will reduce at the same rate regardless of how many guys they fuck).
well for you it is 5-30 minutes of fun, but for her it is a possible 9 months of a little you growing inside of her that leads to a painful process of squeezing it out as well as taking care of it for at least 18 years and paying for it, if she just fucked any guy that talked to her it would be risky business, and sure beauty is valuable, it is valuable in the same way that good feelings and good vibes are from you, good feelings good vibes and a guy who believes in himself and spreads these vibes to all the people around him stimulating their emotions without a need to get anything in return is a tremendous quality to possess, So why don't guys use this brilliant asset for good, and devote their lives to delivering emotional stimulation to millions of girls, and still never run out of good vibes and feelings and never have their feelings and good vibes diminish? (of coarse unlike beauty the more you do this the better you get at it and that is why older guys are more attractive regardless of how many women they fuck), (*you see the contrast here and what you are not providing?*)
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