Did anyone read "Mode one"? Bassicaly what it says is that you need to tell women what do you really think and that:

"To eliminate any potential for unsubstantiated ‘hype,’ I’m going
to tell you right now what many books that emphasize
improving your success in attracting women won’t tell you: You
cannot make a woman who is not interested in you,
become interested in you. The vast majority of these ‘how to
pick up women’ type books, and ‘how to get any beautiful
woman you want in your bed’ type books tend to mislead you
into believing that you have the “magic power” to virtually
attract any single woman you meet. NOT TRUE. Take me for
example. If I’m just flat out, 100% not interested in a woman,
there is very little, if anything that this woman can do to ‘make
me’ interested in her. Realistically, it’s just not going to
happen."

Any thoughts on that?

Well hope you are right.

Because my friend recommended this book and what he said that there is no point in indirect gaming. He said you just need to be honest and say that you want to sleep with her tonight or that you want to date her. And that with direct gaming you know the answer immediately while with indirect you found it out only after your game, because women usually talks to men even if they are not interested.

Ok for the most part this dude is correct.

If a women is un-attracted to you then it's basically impossible to make her attracted to you. BUT most women you will meet will be undecided. So basically nuetral. You can flip them both ways through expressing attractive qualities or not. Some women will be intstantly attracted and some instantly not (these views are hard to change)

Also he is giving an example of himself not being able to become attracted to a women.... which is retarded because men and women think completely differently and we base attraction highly on looks. So just think about that.

As example if I am at the club and throughout the night open 10 girls. 2 are automatically attracted, 3 are not and 5 are neutral. The 3 un-attracted females would take alot of work and might be able to flip them but there can be millions of reasons they are not attracted. The 5 girls can be worked on and maybe 2 of those 5 will become attracted.

What I am saying is that indirect game could potential allow you to display attractive qualities to women who were neutral to you. I would say it's impossible to get all women but surely you can gain attraction from a women who had zero initially.

I am sorry amigo, but i think this is bullshit. Anybody can seduce anybody with enough work,time and energy spent. That is because everybody has a way in which he/she wants to be seduced. Sometimes you should think like in time frames. She is totally not attracted to you now. But things can change, she can change and you can change. Know how she wants to be seduced and you can do it. The problem is that we dont want ot spend the energy, the time or the work to find out how and do it. And in most cases, it would be plain stupid to do so as well. This is my opinion though.

Now, i dont think that neither you nor Tony have ever done Mode One. (i might be wrong, cause i dont know you guys). But mode one does work. I have done it. Hell i am still doing it, but i am flaking on the sex because i have a girlfriend. Which ofc i also tell them.

The auther does not really insinuate anything. There are girls who like sex very much, but will not tell you, nor do anything with it unless you push just a bit harder. Suppose you run a chocolate shop, and i stand in your shop. you ask me: do you want any chocolate, and i say no. But i keep on standing there, looking at your chocolate. I bet you would ask me again. Its the same thing. Some girls will say no if you declare you want to have sex with them. But they will not leave your side. So you should lead them to it. If she really doesnt want to cross a certain line, you will instantly know the difference.

I cant explain the difference, you should experience it really.

More input later .
cheers!

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Bullshit, sounds like a guy with little experience trying to make a quick buck off a book to me.

There have been plenty of women who didn't like me at ALL at first and I turned that around. There have also been women who I didn't want anything to do with and then I saw men flirting with them etc and then I suddenly found them attractive.

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Fuze you have no idea read the book before you criticize it I recommend mode one.
Some women will allow you to entertain them and not be interested in having sex with you or dating you at all. you could hang out with a girl for weeks, months, putting in hours of phone conversations, dinners, etc. and think everything is going great and then you hear those dreaded words Lets just be friends then you become bitter, angry, cussing the girl out basically ready to kill this girl for wasting your time- this is mode 4=very bad.

This is why mode one stresses letting women know your interest and intentions upfront in a highly self assured manner so you don't become mode 4.

If a women has some interest in you there's no need to game and do magic tricks on her for 1hr before letting her know you're interested. Some case you can set there talking for 1hr think everything is going well just to find out she has a boyfriend which means you wasted and hour of your time for nothing.

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OK. I think there's a bit of truth to both sides of this, but neither is an "absolute" truism.

Attraction is not entirely a physical reaction, but also a deeply psychological reaction, particularly in women, some much more than others.

So to be able to say that woman A, who you've never met, and have had limited or no interaction with you, just isn't going to be able to be attracted to you is, IMHO, BS.

On the other end of the equation, you cannot know what woman A's hangups are going to be. She may have this extreme aversion to this or that, possibly deeply anchored by previous experience, that would put certain guys into a possibly permanent no-fly zone. And some of these things aren't easily reasoned with, or rarely so.

So yeah, the greatest pickup artists of them all may run into situations where they encounter a woman who has some hang-up, or particular strong embedded reason why she would not be a close. I have seen some writings of these chicks referred to as "not worth the effort", or "not someone I'd waste my time on" type responses.

--Aeron

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women know within the first few seconds of meeting a man whether they'll sleep with him or not. Women may hide the fact they're interested at first and test you too see if you're real man or not. Anyways read the book then you'll change your mind about what you just said.

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So what you're saying is, if a woman within the first few seconds sizes you up and say, hey, this is a great looking guy I really am attracted to! Then 1 minute into the conversation, finds out you live in your mom's basement, don't have a car and talk with a stutter eerily familiar to Porky Pig, it doesn't matter. She's made up her mind. She'll sleep with you?

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why in the world would you be telling a woman something like that in the first place? Expressing interest towards a woman letting her know your interested in more than just friend has nothing to do with you living in your mom's basement or not having car that information is irrelevant.
No guy even if he did live in his mom's basement is going to DLV himself to a girl like that.

example of a mode one approach:

Woman giving Resistance:
Me: "So ... what day in the next 2-3 weeks are we going to share each other's company one-on-one
..."
Her: "What?!? I don't even know you!!"
Me: "So..."
Her: "Do you always approach women this way??"
Me: "Don't worry about how I approach other women ... just worry about letting me know what day
in the next 2-3 weeks we're going to hook up ... next Friday? next Saturday? The weekend after
that?"
Her: "And just why would I want to share your company...."
Me (being X-rated): "Among other reasons, so I can slide my hard dick in your tight wet pussy...."
Her: "Oh my God!! I don't believe you said that!!! You are too wild!!!"
Me (smirking): "You have no idea...."


:::conversation continues:::
You see the difference? If a woman expresses to me total disinterest, 99.9% of the time, I leave her
alone. Immediately. But if a woman just starts making comments and/or criticisms of the manner in
which I'm expressing myself ... then yes ... I will become more persistent


At no point do you do start telling her what loser you are let her find that out on her own.

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For inexperienced guys I see your point reo, and although I barely waste time chasing after a girl who isn't interested in me i have before.. And I also have turned the dynamic around, in which the women stated that they couldn't stand me at first. The say they would of never givin me the time of day.. and so on

Valid point though, don't waste time trying to change the dynamic, just move until you hook.

No fisherman keeps returning to the same lake thats hasn't giving him any fish.

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Testing Mode One myself, it was interesting. It seems the 3 times I came closest to losing my virginity all were when I was testing Mode One.

I found that like someone posted earlier, there are women who are red light (aren't interested), yellow light (neutral) and green light (interested). This is 60 Years of Challenge's model by the way.

Anyways, going very direct like this, you will lose the red light women, lose 90% of the yellow light women and completely blow the doors off the green light women.

So... if your method with women is a numbers game, then Mode One is superb. Personally for me, I hate putting in numbers, so it didn't help me much at all, even though when I did find a green light woman, she really loved it.