@ kasabi : especially guys who are looking for girls and have a good posture and skills to fight will fuck you up really fast.
Some AMOG´s will even persist and stay with your girl until you leave or when maintaining EC with a girl after you left, they come to you and tell you to " either get the fuck out or a punch in your face "
As I´m not this kind of person who wants to get beaten up for some pussy, I better leave the place
Anything else displays low value for me

Unfortenaly, this only happens when you´re very direct and go for the 9-10´s
I think its plain jealously, its very annoying cause it happens many times

what is your opinion on sarging alone at night?


As far as going out alone, it would all depend on where. If you are in a big city, and a heavily populated social gathering, then it's not so bad. It also depends on your age and the range of women you will be approaching. Often when women are younger, they tend to always be in groups and cannot understand a man being alone at a bar and will often look down at them for being alone( thinking you have no friends or you may be a creep) It can hinder their first impression and set them into a defensive posture.( making it more difficult to do the PU) This isn't a rule, but it has happened to me when i was out alone, when younger. Sure I still pulled off the pickup but, I found it created an unnecessary hurdle.

Most game is run alone regardless, but there is something to be said about having personal security in numbers ( friends/backup/support) Ideally you want to head out with one friend, that can either be a wing man or that is actually gaming himself. ( Do not bring any friends out that are needy and will follow you around, they must be comfortable being by themselves)

Having a wing man or fellow gamer friend in the same club as you will help, in particular when dealing with sets. Since 99.5% of women at the clubs or social gatherings are with at least 1 other person.

Sets of two are difficult if you are alone. Often even if the girl is 100% into you she will tend to be concerned about her friend being alone and makes it hard for you to isolate her or get her to leave with you. ( having a friend that is willing to at least keep her friend company will help the pick up and help for after hour activities)

If you prefer to go at it alone and you're approaching younger women, I suggest when asked if you are alone, you tell them you are but only because your buddy or friends, could not make it or had to leave. If alone, it is important to be a social person, you can make instant friends in any setting, if you are a social person. If that's the case, then its not a bad thing at all to be solo.


How often do you reccommend going out/how often did you in your learning days?



I went out quite a lot in my learning days. I had 2 friends that were as much into pick up as I was. We actually created a competition for us. On average we went out 2 nights a week, but often did 3. We would work alone or as a group, whatever was needed. It's also good to have a friend that will always take one for the team and jump on the grenades.

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I think what is important is being comfortable in your own shoes. Please remember that it's not a race, this is your life. If you are genuinely looking to find a relationship rather then just get laid, don't worry so much about your sexual intent. It is mostly implied with men anyways. If you are expressing interest and attraction to a woman, sex is implied, so mentioning it or showing your sexuality, is not necessary. I think you need to find a healthy balance between establishing comfort and showing interest. Too much interest can set a woman in a defensive posture emotionally and not allow her the sufficient time to see your true character. Too little can cast you into the "friends zone"

Attraction is usually blind to only looks and posture.( especially at a younger age) Although women can fall for a man after getting to know his inner self, the initial attraction usually dictates the womens level of interest to dating. Even know their is women that just want to get laid, it is usually just a phase or an emotional release of some sorts. In general most women are seeking a relationship.

My advice to you is to try to focus on just spending time with women you are attracted to but don't show interest in them. Keep the state of mind that you are just making friends. This will allow you to get experience being around these women without having your inner thoughts dictate your actions or lack of.

There is plenty of time to work on dating and interest, later on. Once you get better suited to dealing with hot women.

You also have to keep in mind even the HB 10's have their own inner issues, everyone does. The more you can get into the mind of a woman, the better suited you will be to understanding them. If you are relatively inexperienced with women. Don't do what all these books are saying. Focus on just being around women that you find attractive. By being friendly only and even letting a girl know straight up that you are not trying to pick her up, it can often lead to her letting her guard down and eventually showing you her inner self. The more you see women's inner self and thought process, the better chances you will have in future relations with women.

Having hot female friends is never a bad thing. ( other women will see you with them and wonder about you. Women are as naturally competitive as men, (especially when it comes to men). By not showing interest in them sexually, there is also a chance they may want you and begin to show their own interest. You will be yourself completely and have no worries, as to how to act. If the girl likes you the way you are, you never have to have anxiety about anything. You will be able to speak freely once a certain of level of comfort is established.

It's not easy to just be friends with girls you are attracted to. But if you can do this and learn as much as possible. You will be miles ahead of most in your situation.

I am not saying to do this forever, but try it out. If you start to notice you are becoming more comfortable around these women, you then you can make attempts and do what the books are saying.

I am guessing the literature out here in regards to pickup( from what I have heard from others and read in posts) is more directed to people who already have a level of confidence. If they don't there is a good chance it will cause more harm then good.

Confidence is key to initial dating and picking up. What I have suggested could help you gain this confidence and comfort, without putting yourself at risk of losing what you already have.

If you can find some hot women that turn into friends, pick their brains as much as possible, if they become true friends, they will help you in every way to get the girl. After all, who knows more about hot women, then hot women?

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I usually go to a girl on a club and shake her hand, and she smiles, should I take that as a IoI? If yes, then I should whisper in her ear, what should I say? She haven't showed me any IoI besides smiling. I need to make it clear that I'm actually interested in her. And I need to know that shes interested in me, what can I say? I have a very hot sixpack, can I use it as an advantage??

Thanks.

Yes use it. Try this! When you whisper in here ear, say " You are so freaking beautiful or sexy you make my stomach get all crinkled up or go in knots, then whip out the 6 pack and smile. LMAO it's the triple threat. You are complimenting her, escalating sexually. being humorous and showing off your goods. If she says "ohhhhh" and touches your stomach, you can be sure as hell she's interested.

I also often when meeting women, when i put out my hand to shake, i pretend am going to kiss their hand, then at the last second I will flip it over and kiss my own hand. :p

Just don't been seen doing the same thing over and over in the same club. If you don't have natural wit! there's nothing wrong with planning stuff. If you can combine humor/sexuality/charm in anything you say. It's a great recipe.

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Wow I'm starting to think that ur better than mystery lol.. Thanks man really thanks.

Should I ask her if she smokes? I put my fingers to my lips showing that I'm a smoker, and emote her like "wanna go smoke?"

And when we are outsite we start a conversation, and then I will lead the conversation to her coming with me home. How will I do that and isn't it a good idea?

And I can talk different language though, can I use it as an advantage too?

Aloha!

I have read through all of the pages, not thoroughly. Scrren through all of it. I find it fascinating. You have a lot of points I feel I can relate to! After being 2 years out sarging. This was great to stumble upon. Thank you alot for your answers they are truly helpful!

I saw you were french. If you don't mind where in France?

I am planning on moving to France to study later on in my life. I am interested what are your opinions on different cultures you have been through? It is a vague question. I am more thinking of how the girls are, big diffrences and so on.

What I also find fascinating is that I often get tired from girls. Just get plain bored I feel with so many(this is partly cause my results are such a numbers game.). After approaching a lot without meeting anyone I like in particular I can just feel empty. Feeling like wow, there are so many boring people out there.

I am interested if you always feel the need to go sarge or if you get tired to(as I would guess). What do you do when you are tired of girls? (For me usually it comes and goes, sometimes based on results. The feeling of meeting a girl I like, quite amazing . Too bad.)

High Regards

I think its your job to get the best out of the women... no one is boring. find whats interesting about them/they like/do. be able to get them going. and if you are an interested person just as much as you are interesting too, it shouldnt be boring.
Thats ya problem

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How many fights have you been involved with in your life? How many fights do you see on a typical weekend? What kind of city do you live in? In 20 years and over 20 cities around the World, I've been involved with one fight and that's it. . . and it was only because the guy was a drunk and his current girlfriend was little bit too touchy with me.

Take 'ignoring' and 'pretending he doesn't exist' off the table. He is not there to chat with you. He is there to hit on the girl standing next to you. As soon as he turns you into a voiceless participant, he rolls onto his real target. . . the girl. Wouldn't you? If he begins interacting with your girl, you've just made this much harder for yourself. The idea is to create an alliance with your girl and make him the outsider and avoid a 3-way discussion panel.
^This will happen a lot more by ignoring the guy and NOT creating an alliance . . . People resort to violence (especially in social environments) not because they enjoy fighting but because they do not have abilities to express their emotions through speech. *This says something about the host of this thread . . .

When you create an alliance, make the guy an outsider, and then allow him to speak. . . there is ALWAYS an awkward silence. He'll often leave before there's even a chance for you to say, "We're busy." The addict actually offered some good ideas later on but giving the guy the 'silent SPAM' is a bad idea.
There's got to be something else that you're not telling us. Sure, there might always be a screwball who ruins the party but everybody loves to see a pick-up in action. If you look around you, you'll notice a lot more guys that support whatever it is that your doing.

Read only 3 pages for now, will read the rest later. This guy is totally legit. One thing I don't understand is why he cares so much about rejection.... who cares? getting rejected is funny.... who cares.

Sorry to people expecting a field report of author. I had a engagement party saturday that turned into a drinking fest pretty quickly. I managed to get to where the sarge location was but at 1:00am. I was with non-pua people and completely shit faced so field report will come another time.

@ kasabi

Most of the time, its like this:

Me going into a club at 0:00-1 AM , lots of people there ( most of them are guys )
Ordering a Red Bull, relaxing.
Then screening

In general there are a lot of guys that are simply hitting on girls trying to grind
( caveman style, no calibration ) or talking about some bullshit...
I can see in the girls eyes that they are pissed of as hell, so what I do:
Maintaining Eye Contact, as soon as I get an IOI, instant approach : Putting my hand on their shoulder, turning them around and then use a direct line. If this doesnt work
I simply do not give a s**t and proceed further, I only go for the hottest chicks in the club

In case it works :

I slightly grap her wrist ( no force here ) and lead her away from the dance floor... sometimes I make out really quick.

Sooner or later, some random guy appears and pisses me off.
Happened this weekend again:
Me ( to the guy ) Do you have anything to tell us?
Him: I am a friend of her
Me: Cool. Me too, so what?
HB: Well we know him , really
Of course I am persistent, but then
Him: Getting aggressive " Sorry bro " ---> pushes me away hard
Me trying to isolate her again to other places:
Him : " Didnt I tell you something? Fuck off ( more agressive )


Same pattern which repeats itself often
But besides getting bad reactions from guys, others are offering drinks for free, ask who I am, giving me high fives etc.

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This should not be happening so many times. It is something you are doing.

If this is happening often there is a good chance the girls are exhibiting body language that they are not interested or needs help. And she is only participating due to your over-aggression and and perhaps her alcohol level. You should have immediately asked the girl, what she wanted you do do? If she wanted you to stay, then she would of assisted the situation somehow. If these girls are letting this happen, there may be a reason.

There is also the chance that you are actually the one doing the cock-blocking. Guys in general, even piss drunk alpha's don't just go up to random girls when they are with guys and start shit. If this is happening to you all the time. I am willing to bet it's something you are doing. IF a guy is has been working on a girl for a little while, then you just swoop in, and work your game, you will certainly encounter some issues, and aggression. There's nothing wrong with stealing a girl away from someone with "weak game" but if you are doing this, be damn sure the girl is showing a lot of interest in you and be sure you are alpha enough to not get bullied out of it.

In any situation, let the girl tell you what to do. Ask her straight up? What does she want you to do? Does she want you to stay or to go? If she is completely interested in you. She will help you, if even with her body language. Stick to trying to take her away from the area.

I am starting to get the feeling that you may be overly aggressive with overly drunk chicks. If this is the case, then yes you will run into a lot of problems. Men( especially when drinking) will often go outside their self and become tough especially if they think they are helping a damsel in distress.

Future reference:

Observe the girl and her situation a little more before you just go in. Watch the guy's around her, and how they are acting towards her. If she seems interested in you and you go in for the approach. keep being observant.( to the other guys around) as you are talking to her. I suggest asking her immediately if she is dealing with any of these guys and what is her present dating situation.

I am guessing, this is younger crowds, 21-23? I am visualizing you just showing up and approaching women. I am also visualizing, other guys that have been trying to get with this girl all night but didnt have the game to just be physically aggressive with the IOI. So when they see it from you. It triggers their Fight/flight response. ( they think, why couldn't i have done that, I am not letting this guy take the girl i have been working on all night or slowly trying to work on.

Also the drunker the chick is, the more she is probably showing interest to everyone. I suggest, staying away from the completely wasted women. They tend to be more of a pain in the ass then anything.

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@ Nicky_Santoro
I agree with Breaking Bad. It's your job to bring out the best in her. If you are getting bored with these women, i suggest you start upping your targets. If it is intellect you are seeking, there are several places you can go to find these women. Try book stores, university libraries, art galleries....etc etc.

You need to be kept on your toes. I can assure you, if you up your targets you will not be bored whats so ever.

If you are continuing to get bored, then perhaps it more of an inner issue then anything.

I have meet thousands of women in my lifetime. I can honestly say, there was not that many boring ones. Even the shyest of the bunch, had some sort of intrigue. I guess it all comes down to how much you appreciate women.

If you are getting tired of women, their is nothing wrong with taking a break.

Now that you are going to Europe, I can promise you, you will not be getting bored with french woman any time soon. They are the most intriguing women in the world. Full of class and sexuality. I am soo jealous of you.

I am of french decend, but i live in Canada.

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