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*Speak normally into her ear and she will hear even if it's really loud.

Let me share you my theory on looks.

It's not the looks that attracts a woman , but the imagine you project (the way you dress , the way you walk , facial expressions ). You can walk into a club and attract all the women there , but IF YOUR WORDS DON'T FIT THE IMAGE you will get rejected.

*You can't pick up with you abs , just avoid the subject. YOU DON'T NEED ROUTINES AND GAME TO HAVE A ONE NIGHT STAND. BE DIRECT.
I heard about the Gunwitch method.. what do you think of it when you hear the word "player" GWM vs MM what do you think is best for a player like me?
Do you wanna fuck "10's" ?

SHOW SOME FUCKING BALLS.
Nah more 7-10.. I'm not that good looking though.. I'm just ripped, if I take my shirt off I can get easily 10s... Thats why I'm thinking of showing my abs at parties.. Just to an advantage to make her horny..


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With this lay report I am giving something back to this community. You either learn something from it or you don't.

Saturday night , 2:47 am , "bellagio" nightclub.

She was standing facing the dance floor but not dancing and stroking her hair. For those who have developed a radar for those kind of situation ... she was there for a same night lay. I don't like rating women , but she was a 9 , nice ass , nice tits , but her face was too sweet for my taste.

I go directly to her , place my hand on her hip and :

Me : " We are 2 mature people and I am going to be honest and direct with you... you are very sexy and I want to fuck you tonight "

*complete shock + eye contact"

after 10 seconds of eye contact she says : "I don't know" ( and takes a step away from me )

This is one of the 3 variations of positive response and in this case I realize she never experienced something as bold as this , so after she shied away from me I quickly react.

Me " I am not going to apologize for what I want , but I am going to give you 5 minutes to recover. "

*perform takeaway" and went outside to smoke a cigarette.

I come back to her.

Me : "My name is Stelar"
She : "Adina" with a sweet smile.
Me : "It's already late and people are leaving , let's get out of here"
She : "Okay"


I take her hand and I make out with her in my car and we end up at her place.

-Clean and simple-


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Direct done right cuts through all the BS and you get either YES or NO.

1. If you get a blank faced " No . thank you" or " I am not interested " then she is really not interested.

2. "Yes" has 3 variations

A) the case above is what I would call an "overload". when she wants it and doesn't know how to handle the situation. what you need to do is give her some space and she will come around.

B) This is the situation in which she throws a shit test. all you need to do is say to her that you won't apologize for being a man and leave for a short period of time.

C) This happens generally with mature women and in this case she will either jump you or tell you to wait to get her purse , coat , whatever and the job is done.

a very important element is eye contact. don't smile ,don't be angry , keep a plain face.

This is the pattern for 1 night stands.
Here is thing I want to add. This girl Adina has told me something quite interesting...

In one of our "meetings" I have asked her what are her thoughts on the way I approached her and she told me this.

She is tired of "boys" beating around the bush and talking about stupid things ( bragging and other juvenile discussions )

The second thing she told me is that the way I approached her was overwhelming and she said that for a moment she wasn't going to fuck me because she got overpowered and she didn't feel worthy. ( I understand completely what she is saying )

After I told her I will let her recover and left , she regained "stability" and told herself "don't fuck this up , don't fuck this up". These were her actual words.

In the end she added " I am not stupid , I know you are seeing other girls ... you are a player , but I do not care as long as you treat me right "

Since she is only 19 years old and inexperienced I will keep her around as my pet.

*I will not be going out this Friday and Saturday due to heavy snow*


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I'm wondering if this can work in the US? I can see this working in Europe. I think If I tried this in CT I would either get slapped or have a drink poured on me. People in CT are very conservative. If anyone has tried this in the US let me know.

Damn I wish I lived in Europe. They are much more sexually liberated.


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I'm wondering if this can work in the US? I can see this working in Europe. I think If I tried this in CT I would either get slapped or have a drink poured on me. People in CT are very conservative. If anyone has tried this in the US let me know.

Damn I wish I lived in Europe. They are much more sexually liberated.
I will put it this way.

If an 18 year old boy with no confidence goes to a woman and says "that" chances are she will make mince meat of him.

If a 50 year old man goes to the same woman and says the exact thing chances are that even she is not interested she will show respect.

You need to understand something else ... If I wear a business suit to a hipster club , just by my presence only I am high value ( also keep body posture and slow walk) so I can get away with anything I say.

You don't need "social prof" by opening many "sets" ( god i hate game ).


One last thing I will add and is related to bodyguards and bouncers. They have sex like crazy... Why ? and the answer is because they are Alpha , confident and women feel intimidated. Intimidation is a good thing because if you know how to use it women will feel like children around you.


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I'm wondering if this can work in the US? I can see this working in Europe.
I think it's more that you need to appropriately screen the individual.

What would attract one, would repeal another and vise-versa.


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@ Stelar : Really nice lay report, makes sense to me

Isn´t this kind of approach similar to the " Mode One " mindset developed by Alan Roger Currie?



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@ Stelar : Really nice lay report, makes sense to me

Isn´t this kind of approach similar to the " Mode One " mindset developed by Alan Roger Currie?



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Yes , it is similar.


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Ok thanks a lot!
I heard many people saying that " Mode One " is just a bull shit set of mind, but you prove it to be wrong !

Now, in general, how much do you spend screening your targets before you finally approach?
In my case, I only walk around in the club a couple of times ; Seek out for this typical " staring glance" in girls eyes and avoid dancing at all costs, because you attract many cockteasers ( players ) and you wont get laid by simply dancing and making out.


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Ok thanks a lot!
I heard many people saying that " Mode One " is just a bull shit set of mind, but you prove it to be wrong !

Now, in general, how much do you spend screening your targets before you finally approach?
In my case, I only walk around in the club a couple of times ; Seek out for this typical " staring glance" in girls eyes and avoid dancing at all costs, because you attract many cockteasers ( players ) and you wont get laid by simply dancing and making out.
Mode One is not interpreted correctly.

If I am in a club , I will use "want you in every position" and by this I am expressing my sexual desire directly.

If I am at a party or she is in a group and everyone hears what I am saying I just change " the fuck" you part with "know you".

But remember don't let any women walk over you , speak with them from a position of power (imagine the woman as your child).

Dancing with a woman won't get you in her pants unless you know how to escalate sexually.

I do not dance , do not approach women that are dancing with energy ( some of those women dance because they want to be admired )

*ONE LAST THING : After my opener in maximum 3 minutes (unless she says sure let's fuck ) I perform a takeaway ( the key of the takeaway is to leave on a high note )

EXAMPLE : (if you get shit tested )

-Her : "What makes you think I would fuck you ?" or " Who do you think I am ? some slut ?" (i never faced the slut situation , but it's still a shit test)

-Me : "You can say what you want , but I will never apologize for being a man" and leave for a few minutes.

THE BIGGEST MISTAKE 99 % OF MEN DO WHEN TALKING TO A WOMEN IS NOT LETTING HER BREATHE BY TRYING TO FORCE THEMSELVES TO HER WITHOUT USING PAUSES.


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Everything else is fine, but I think leaving on a low note is better. I would just say, "I was just being honest, I find you very attractive." In a serious and seductive tone. Then do the takeaway. I like everything you do, just not the high note stuff. Too cocky.

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Everything else is fine, but I think leaving on a low note is better. I would just say, "I was just being honest, I find you very attractive." In a serious and seductive tone. Then do the takeaway. I like everything you do, just not the high note stuff. Too cocky.
Yes , you are right , it works , but you have to say it with confidence. I always introduce the "seductive tone" when I approach the woman again. ( it depends on her initial response )

My most effective line is : "You can say what you want , but I came to you and did my job as a man"

*I want people to contribute to this thread ... ask questions , give opinions , post field reports related to this pattern.


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What do you think about 60 years of challenge?

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What do you think about 60 years of challenge?
I think all of the people on this forum should forget about game and routines. I was going trough a period when I was 0 with women and instead of going into routines I got a pair of balls and went direct and by time I got my "natural act" back.

60 years of challenge is by far the best book to actually become a "natural".

*One other important thing that someone brought to my attention :

IN MY ORIGINAL POST ( 3 TYPICAL RESPONSES ) A FRIEND ENCOUNTERED THE SITUATION IN WHICH SHE DOESN'T GO AWAY BUT SAYS NOTHING AND AGAIN THIS IS A SUBTLE YES AND THE SOLUTION IT'S THE SAME AS WHEN SHE IS SHYING AWAY AND THE TAKEAWAY IS MANDATORY. ( THIS IS ACTUALLY THE MOST COMMON REACTION IF YOUR INITIAL APPROACH IS DONE PROPERLY AND CAN HAVE MANY CAUSES)

I APOLOGIZE.


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Hmm takeaways...

I haven't really been doing them, but will do. Now I see the connection to 60. Stelar, what you're really doing is,

"Positive Challenge
After she’s interested you will only want to use positive challenges. A positive challenge
is any challenge that builds value for you but doesn’t sacrifice rapport.
- willingness to walkaway
- social proof & jealousy
- blaming sexual aggressiveness on her"

You don't break rapport, I noticed that as well. Another thing I noticed about your style is that you favor being genuine a lot more over being humble so you can come off as more powerful. Not just with the high note stuff or the "Drop the attitude, you're not impressing anybody" but with the suit as well. As a matter of fact, I haven't seen you being humble in any of your reports but you're not cocky either. You just don't use "humble".

I guess there's two advanced stages of development for a PUA.

1.) Confident and strong approach, genuine but gives humble responses and leaves on a low note. (Oh ok, pleasure meeting you.)

2.) Confident and strong approach, genuine but gives off a more overpowering vibe. (You can say what you want , but I will never apologize for being a man).

As for the suit stuff, what about not wearing one if you're really buff/ripped? It's still a sign of power. I mean if I wear a suit, no one can see my muscles and I've been thinking of this suit stuff way before I started reading your threads.

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Hmm takeaways...

I haven't really been doing them, but will do. Now I see the connection to 60. Stelar, what you're really doing is,

"Positive Challenge
After she’s interested you will only want to use positive challenges. A positive challenge
is any challenge that builds value for you but doesn’t sacrifice rapport.
- willingness to walkaway
- social proof & jealousy
- blaming sexual aggressiveness on her"

You don't break rapport, I noticed that as well. Another thing I noticed about your style is that you favor being genuine a lot more over being humble so you can come off as more powerful. Not just with the high note stuff or the "Drop the attitude, you're not impressing anybody" but with the suit as well. As a matter of fact, I haven't seen you being humble in any of your reports but you're not cocky either. You just don't use "humble".

I guess there's two advanced stages of development for a PUA.

1.) Confident and strong approach, genuine but gives humble responses and leaves on a low note. (Oh ok, pleasure meeting you.)

2.) Confident and strong approach, genuine but gives off a more overpowering vibe. (You can say what you want , but I will never apologize for being a man).

As for the suit stuff, what about not wearing one if you're really buff/ripped? It's still a sign of power. I mean if I wear a suit, no one can see my muscles and I've been thinking of this suit stuff way before I started reading your threads.
Very good analysis.

In the club I am never humble , it just doesn't work , many 9's and 10's have aggressive bitch shields. It's weird (maybe not really weird , but weak and incongruent ) saying "I want to fuck you" in a humble way. I never use it in this situation.

It may seem "too cocky" but every thing I say it's with a BLANK FACE. If I said "I AM A MAN" with a smile or a smirk then YES it would be cocky.

If I am genuinely interested in "knowing" a woman I am humble.

THE CONCLUSION :

FOR SEX : CONFIDENT AND STRONG
FOR "RELATIONSHIP" : HUMBLE AND CASUAL

*NEVER FORGET ABOUT EYE CONTACT.


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