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 Post subject: I need your advice
PostPosted: Sat Jan 28, 2012 8:14 am 
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Hey, im hoping you guys can help me out. I seem to be getting nowhere with game. I've been gaming for two years and have had very little success. Im a very good looking guy (not to brag tho) and Im pretty friendly.


Anyways, I went to a bar last night. All the sets were two sets and I opened all of them. I can open well (usually situational) and tease well. However, after this initial process I always feel like Im carrying every single conversation. The girl just sits there and says minimal. I also realized I'm not creating enough sexual tension and I fall into this "nice guy, best friend, zone". Anyone been there before?

I guess I have to qualify girls hard to get them to talk. Ex...what u got going for u besides ur looks. Im contemplating going up to girls and just saying "lets cut the chit chat. I think ur hot and I wanna have crazy sex with u...." It would save time.

I know I may be rambling, but any advice u guys have would be really appreciated.


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PostPosted: Sat Jan 28, 2012 8:29 am 
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Hey!
Don't worry man, that happens to a lot of guys. You just need to woerk on your conversation skills, don't ask random questionstions, you need to create comfort between your "target" and you.
This is not about looks, that's one of the reasons why is called game. Creating a sexual frame is not easy and I think you should focus on your conversaton skills before worrying with creating sexual frames, if you create a sexual frame and you don't know where to take it it's gonna be useless.

Remember that during night game, body language and eye contact are extremely important. You can sexualize a conversation with the right body language and the right eye contact.

I uploader this video yesterday talking about common mistakes while doing day game but I think you can use it as well, here I talk about body language, eye contact and conversation skills.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BWeQJmdH ... pmh2fdEC-W


Good luck.

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 28, 2012 8:32 am 
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I'm not the greatest to ask but i can try and add some input.

To get the girl to respond more and WANT to know more about you is simple. Make her comfortable and you do this by making her laugh. As for sexual tension.. You need to be a man about it lol... place your hand on her and see if shes comfortable with it and if she is.. While having a normal conversation you could escalate the touch process. Crack jokes, try being C&F. If she's getting boring, i would just TELL her while keeping a smile on my face so you don't come off as an asshole.

Hope i helped a bit ~Goodluck


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PostPosted: Sat Jan 28, 2012 8:39 am 
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I don't think sexual tension is something he should be worrying about at this point, in order to create sexual tension he needs to feel comfortable and I don't think he's right now.

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 28, 2012 10:28 am 
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here is a checklist of things that can help you get this sorted out, field test these in order to build up some reference points, (these ideas should be done in field, via night game at a club)

mission 1-do 4 days in a row, of appocolypse opener, if you can open easy and actually hook, it shouldn't be too hard to just appocolypse open, your goal should be 20 opens a night
once you have completed that, soi'ing a girl home shouldn't feel weird, you will just think, fuck it, I have opened with that shit a million times, why not try to close with it

mission 2-next for 4 days in a row, open sets (aim for 20 sets a night) with soi's (statements of intent aka compliments), just drop a pre-frame and soi, then hook or no hook, leave the set shortly after open, and go open another set with an soi, continue doing this all night, once you got all the girls soi'd that you like in the club (or around 20), start re-approaching and trying to qualify, if any girls re-approach you, try to make out with them (if you suck shit at physical compliance testing *physical escalation*, just drop that gay mystery method would you like to kiss me routine on them do this for the girls that re-approach)

mission 3-after that, the next 4 day mission, is aim for blowouts off opener, use retarded muscle jokes to open or other silly things

-hey girls, you got your tickets?... TOO THE GUN SHOW *flexes* ohhhh yahhhhhh

-hey girls, you hear about that horrible escape at the zoo?.... THE PYTHONS HAVE ESCAPED!! *flexes* ohhhhhh yahhhhhhhhhh

-hey girls, did you hear about that horrible mixup at the hosipital?..... THEY ARE LOOKING FOR THESE BABIES!!! *flexes* ohhhhh yeahhhhhhh

-hey girls, could you please call a plumber.... CAUSE MY PIPES ARE CRACKIN *flexes* OHHHHH YEAHHHHH

-excuse me could you please blow me out

-*lift up shirt and rub stomach* YOU LIKEY, YEAH GIRL, YOU LIKEY!!!??!!

after blowout open, try to qualify fast and request a number in under 5 minutes, no matter how it goes the object of these missions are to get blown out on the open, or at the number close, be normal in between, you want to close too fast, or get blown out off the open, when girls try to give objections for the number close, try to find ways around their objections


mission 4-go out for you guessed it.. 4 days, with a goal of opening 20 a night, open with soi and touch her arm/shoulder to get her attention, all sets that hook, qualify, every single time a girl qualifies, just say wow I love you, and escalate in this linnear order
-wow I love you *open your arms and go for a hug*
-wow I love you, now give me a kiss on the cheek *point to cheek and turn it towards her*
-wow I love you, *kiss her on the cheek*
-wow I love you, hug her and go in slow for a makeout while holding eye contact

no matter what every time you get stuck and she rejects escalation, drop a false time constraint, tell her she seems kinda cool, you should hang out some time, pull out your phone and say, what is your number?


if you've been going out for 2 years, these things should be pretty easy to pull off, and you will probably gain some good reference points from doing all the missions, combine what you learned and when you start asking girls home that are horny, just keep going for a makeout, and every time she stops you take off one piece of clothing, every time she asks you why, just say, this is how I get comfortable, talk to her for a bit (focusing on sexual frames and raising her buying temp), then try again, every time you are met with resistance, get closer to being naked

worst case senario she goes home and you learned something to do better next time

after you are comfortable with this, you can focus on more solid sexual frames, and establishing some good tension with eye contact and some meaningful kino meant to turn her on, getting close to her fast and stuff like that, but certainly do the above missions and get a few lays out, before shifting your focus, it will most likely be easier to ease into it, then just think go full blast, right away

GOOD LUCK


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PostPosted: Sun Jan 29, 2012 10:49 pm 
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Guys, I really appreciate all of your advice. The big thing I realized is that Im the friendly, nice guy. Im too friendly.

I open well, as the girls always smile when I open and I can see them checking me out. However, after that I fall into boring, usual conversation and I can feel there attraction for me fading. (its like they dont see me as a sexual threat b/c im not challenging them) It just gets boring. In return I feel bored b/c Im carrying the convo and talking about boring stuff (like work, school,etc). I do not have a problem opening tho.

This bar all the sets were seated but I dont think this matters much tho. Next time I go out Im gonna focus on opening and qualifying. I admit Im a little bit lost with all this stuff. My goal next time will be simple : open + qualify + if possible kino more.

What do u guys think?
I hope you guys can learn from me and I can learn from you. Were all here to support each other.


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PostPosted: Sun Jan 29, 2012 11:53 pm 
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Guys, I really appreciate all of your advice. The big thing I realized is that Im the friendly, nice guy. Im too friendly.

I open well, as the girls always smile when I open and I can see them checking me out. However, after that I fall into boring, usual conversation and I can feel there attraction for me fading. (its like they dont see me as a sexual threat b/c im not challenging them) It just gets boring. In return I feel bored b/c Im carrying the convo and talking about boring stuff (like work, school,etc). I do not have a problem opening tho.

This bar all the sets were seated but I dont think this matters much tho. Next time I go out Im gonna focus on opening and qualifying. I admit Im a little bit lost with all this stuff. My goal next time will be simple : open + qualify + if possible kino more.

What do u guys think?
I hope you guys can learn from me and I can learn from you. Were all here to support each other.
I think you should do the fucking missions, and stop focusing on talking, if you have the talking down it is time to start escalating things, don't just say kino more, it is pretty simple, she talks back you touch, she touches back, you take it as far as you can and get to know her, start making out with girls when things are going well, or you will find the longer you stick around without making anything happen the worse things go, you are not going to talk a girl into bed unless you are dating her, you have to turn her on, no arousal = no sex, get close to her, put your arms around her, hug her, let your hand slide down and touch her ass as you are taking your hugs away, go for the kiss after meeting if the talking is going well, no more friend to friend, more horny guy to horny girl, do the missions it is a step down from what you could get comfortable with, but you have to bust this comfort zone you are in


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PostPosted: Mon Feb 06, 2012 6:49 pm 
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UPDATE:

First off, guys thanks for all your advice. It was very helpful.

So Sat night I went out to clubs/bars and my goal was to open the first set I saw. I didnt care if the girls were fat, hot, tall, whatever. This helps me to get in a social mood. So I enter the club and open the first girls but they are leaving. They smile at me and invite me out with them to another club. I decline b/c there were too many girls in this club to leave. Goal accomplished (in a social mood). I then opened another 2 set (indirect) who were very receptive (smiling) but it fizzled.....i admit i gave up on the interaction.

I head upstairs to a really loud 2nd floor which is like a huge dancefloor with couches on the peripherary. I see a girl come out of the bathroom who is smoking hot! I open her indirect and its fucking on. Just opened with hi (smile). Teased her a little....and said lets go to the dancefloor. Im making intense eye contact with her and I pull her in and make out with her. I take her off the dancefloor to the couches.

Before we get there i say.....Listen I saw u over there and I thought u were fucking sexy......I wanna be completely honest with u......I wanna fuck u. Im just a really honest person and I think u are so fucking sexy.
She says to me.... I dont know I dont wanna just have a ONS with u and never see u again. (I was not sure what to say....her Anti-Slut defense was HIGH). Anyways I take her to the couch....run some routines....She starts kissing my neck and shit... I put her hand on my dick. Logistics screwed me tho, she was driving three of her friends. I got her # and were going on a date tonight.

Tonight I opened first set I saw, qualified girls, and isolated. All 3 goals I had.
GUYS what do u do when u tell a girl u wanna fuck her and she's like.....ahh Im not that type of girl.....or Im not looking for a ONS....????
Also guys, she kinda accused me of being a player....I was coming off 2 playerish....running too many routines.....when I got that vibe I brought it down and just had a normal convo.....u guys ever get accused of that??? How u handle it? Im taking this girl on a date tonight and gonna try my best to pull her to a hotel room


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