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Im so sick of all this "get over her" or "sarge other girls" bullshit. If you want a fucking girl and you cant ge her with your 'pua' skills then ur just playing statistics. I always say it. Unless ur gross looking, you can go out and open a ton of girls and no shit ull getsome. But most people join here to get the one they want.. Its easy to get ones you dont care about but thats not thepoint. andif it is then pickup fucking sucks.. I want to get a girl that i want and if i cant then this shit doesnt work. This is what everyone is saying in a different scenario.

You have some kid who gets the crap kicked out of him. He goes to a martial arts school to learn how to defend himself against people on the street and when he says
"What do you do if they do X" his coaches reply with "You get over it take the beating and move one. There are plenty of other kids out there whose asses you can kick. You just haveto pick a fight with everyone."
You pretty much summed up my feelings completely. What a stupid fucking piece of advice it is to tell people to go after other girls, honestly. "Oh, you didn't get what you wanted? Don't man up or try to better yourself to win the prize. Just go find some other girl because you've been defeated."

I understand the whole time management thing and saving face, but if you can honestly use those elements as an excuse, you definitely aren't as infatuated with the girl as others are with their targets.


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Im so sick of all this "get over her" or "sarge other girls" bullshit. If you want a fucking girl and you cant ge her with your 'pua' skills then ur just playing statistics. I always say it. Unless ur gross looking, you can go out and open a ton of girls and no shit ull getsome. But most people join here to get the one they want.. Its easy to get ones you dont care about but thats not thepoint. andif it is then pickup fucking sucks.. I want to get a girl that i want and if i cant then this shit doesnt work. This is what everyone is saying in a different scenario.

You have some kid who gets the crap kicked out of him. He goes to a martial arts school to learn how to defend himself against people on the street and when he says
"What do you do if they do X" his coaches reply with "You get over it take the beating and move one. There are plenty of other kids out there whose asses you can kick. You just haveto pick a fight with everyone."
You pretty much summed up my feelings completely. What a stupid fucking piece of advice it is to tell people to go after other girls, honestly. "Oh, you didn't get what you wanted? Don't man up or try to better yourself to win the prize. Just go find some other girl because you've been defeated."

I understand the whole time management thing and saving face, but if you can honestly use those elements as an excuse, you definitely aren't as infatuated with the girl as others are with their targets.
...infatuation is bad.

See, the problem is that you view the girl as a prize.

Do you play poker? If you do, you know that sometimes the best move to make is to fold your hand. Is folding giving up? only on that round of play, because the victory goes to guys who make the best deicisons in the long term. That's the comparison guys who know pickup make. Gaming other girls isn't about giving up, admitting defeat, and declaring weakness, it's about going "okay...this isn't going to end well if I keep pushing. Another girl, another time, another ANYTHING will make my life better in the long term."


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Im so sick of all this "get over her" or "sarge other girls" bullshit. If you want a fucking girl and you cant ge her with your 'pua' skills then ur just playing statistics. I always say it. Unless ur gross looking, you can go out and open a ton of girls and no shit ull getsome. But most people join here to get the one they want.. Its easy to get ones you dont care about but thats not thepoint. andif it is then pickup fucking sucks.. I want to get a girl that i want and if i cant then this shit doesnt work. This is what everyone is saying in a different scenario.

You have some kid who gets the crap kicked out of him. He goes to a martial arts school to learn how to defend himself against people on the street and when he says
"What do you do if they do X" his coaches reply with "You get over it take the beating and move one. There are plenty of other kids out there whose asses you can kick. You just haveto pick a fight with everyone."
Not a good analogy my friend.. And you idea of "the one you want" is a bit off..

Lets look at it from your view though, lets take a guy with no fighting experience, Skinny, nerd thats done nothing but sit behind a computer playing world of war craft his entire life. Lets say one day, he see's wrestling on t.v. and see's hulk hogan and decides " I want to beat up hulk hogan" At that very moment, there is no way possible that he can beat up hulk hogan, No matter how bad thats " the one he wants" to beat up. its just too far out of his reach. He must first, go build some muscle, go get some fighting training, wrestling some lower class guys, and work his way up to the professional level in which he can be in the same ring as hulk hogan.

He can't join a wrestling forum and say " HELP ME, I want to BEat up hulk Hogan" And expect them to give him advice to help him step in the ring with hulk hogan over night.. It just doesn't work that way.

There are classes, when a woman friend zones you, shes see's her self as a professional (With relationships and sexual tension) and you just a nerd thats been playing WOW and just wants something with no real idea why he wants it.

If you want the girl bad enough, you will meet other women( get experience) and return when you can honestly say you've worked you way up to deserve a shot at her title.

These guys tell you all to move on because, thats what you would have to do for the girl to want you anyway, and honestly once you do move on, you will run into new chicks that you feel way stronger about than you ever did about this one girl. You will also realize that you didn't want this one girl as bad as you thought. Its the best advice, but few explain why it is, so I took the time out to do that for you.

Build some muscle, get some real world experience and then ask her for a title shot. Why should she waste her time fighting you now? Your not even a challenge, its kind of like you entering a fight with a 3 year old.
Keep up with your mindless rhetoric you've regurgitated from every PUA ebook you'd come across. Perhaps if you spent more time sarging women and being successful than you'd be here less.

You dug your own grave pal, you haven't a shred of credibility and that's what I find so hilarious that you've got a crew of rag tag, hormone crazed, pimply faced geeks to follow you here. I'd be surprised if you had actually dated more than 4 girls in your life time.

I've gotten so under your skin that you can't resist replying to one of my comments - I'm beggining to think you're AFC for me - neediness isn't an attractive quality, didn't you learn anything reading those books?!? Betas aren't my bag either, go find a shorter tree to bark up.

At this point I only respond to you as a way of humouring myself


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Im so sick of all this "get over her" or "sarge other girls" bullshit. If you want a fucking girl and you cant ge her with your 'pua' skills then ur just playing statistics. I always say it. Unless ur gross looking, you can go out and open a ton of girls and no shit ull getsome. But most people join here to get the one they want.. Its easy to get ones you dont care about but thats not thepoint. andif it is then pickup fucking sucks.. I want to get a girl that i want and if i cant then this shit doesnt work. This is what everyone is saying in a different scenario.

You have some kid who gets the crap kicked out of him. He goes to a martial arts school to learn how to defend himself against people on the street and when he says
"What do you do if they do X" his coaches reply with "You get over it take the beating and move one. There are plenty of other kids out there whose asses you can kick. You just haveto pick a fight with everyone."
Not a good analogy my friend.. And you idea of "the one you want" is a bit off..

Lets look at it from your view though, lets take a guy with no fighting experience, Skinny, nerd thats done nothing but sit behind a computer playing world of war craft his entire life. Lets say one day, he see's wrestling on t.v. and see's hulk hogan and decides " I want to beat up hulk hogan" At that very moment, there is no way possible that he can beat up hulk hogan, No matter how bad thats " the one he wants" to beat up. its just too far out of his reach. He must first, go build some muscle, go get some fighting training, wrestling some lower class guys, and work his way up to the professional level in which he can be in the same ring as hulk hogan.

He can't join a wrestling forum and say " HELP ME, I want to BEat up hulk Hogan" And expect them to give him advice to help him step in the ring with hulk hogan over night.. It just doesn't work that way.

There are classes, when a woman friend zones you, shes see's her self as a professional (With relationships and sexual tension) and you just a nerd thats been playing WOW and just wants something with no real idea why he wants it.

If you want the girl bad enough, you will meet other women( get experience) and return when you can honestly say you've worked you way up to deserve a shot at her title.

These guys tell you all to move on because, thats what you would have to do for the girl to want you anyway, and honestly once you do move on, you will run into new chicks that you feel way stronger about than you ever did about this one girl. You will also realize that you didn't want this one girl as bad as you thought. Its the best advice, but few explain why it is, so I took the time out to do that for you.

Build some muscle, get some real world experience and then ask her for a title shot. Why should she waste her time fighting you now? Your not even a challenge, its kind of like you entering a fight with a 3 year old.
Keep up with your mindless rhetoric you've regurgitated from every PUA ebook you'd come across. Perhaps if you spent more time sarging women and being successful than you'd be here less.

You dug your own grave pal, you haven't a shred of credibility and that's what I find so hilarious that you've got a crew of rag tag, hormone crazed, pimply faced geeks to follow you here. I'd be surprised if you had actually dated more than 4 girls in your life time.

I've gotten so under your skin that you can't resist replying to one of my comments - I'm beggining to think you're AFC for me - neediness isn't an attractive quality, didn't you learn anything reading those books?!? Betas aren't my bag either, go find a shorter tree to bark up.

At this point I only respond to you as a way of humouring myself
Hey dude, that message had nothing to do with you, but I'd be happy to add you on facebook so you can see for yourself.. PM me your facebook

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hey guys calm dont and please dont flame around...wheres the use in that...

thanks for the advice...pretty much all i would have thought of myself, but never bad to hear it from someone else...

at least there was the possibility that someone had the grail to doing the said obove...

thx again...ill just go on with living my life as i would have without her, and maybe at some point, shell find out how good i am on her own...if not...then its just like that and i cant do much about it

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No, its not really the same as your analogy at all, because going after a professional fighter means he has something you don't and CAN'T get without years of work. No matter how much you fake it, he has a physical advantage so you're fucked.

However, a girl that thinks she is better than you or anyone else has no real advantage. Its all a mind game at that point. You can completely destroy someone's self esteem and image of themselves if you are slick enough with your words. You cant do that to a pro boxer. Because girls dont have a physical advantage. And dont say looks because looks are a mental advantage. Why do hb's think they are fat or obsess more about their looks in public than anyone else. BEcause a lot of them are inseure and those who arent can be easily made to be.


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No, its not really the same as your analogy at all, because going after a professional fighter means he has something you don't and CAN'T get without years of work. No matter how much you fake it, he has a physical advantage so you're fucked.

However, a girl that thinks she is better than you or anyone else has no real advantage. Its all a mind game at that point. You can completely destroy someone's self esteem and image of themselves if you are slick enough with your words. You cant do that to a pro boxer. Because girls dont have a physical advantage. And dont say looks because looks are a mental advantage. Why do hb's think they are fat or obsess more about their looks in public than anyone else. BEcause a lot of them are inseure and those who arent can be easily made to be.
That doesn't mean you can disparage a woman into sleeping with you. Unless you've figured out how to seduce a crying one. Nevertheless a little neg can help to break her holier-than-thou persona.


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LMFAO.. Haha No I actually laughed not being sarcastic. However it prob is easierto pick up a crying one. Controlling someones hormones is liek controlling their eye sight. They will see you as a god.

Ever found someone really hot and then later on after getting over liking them you find them to be eh? Hormone glasses.


That isnt to say you should go around tearing apart girls' hearts for ur benefit, but it is definately a weapon in ur arsenal and if a girl is rude enough to Ignore you or be nasty then its fair game. got nothing to lose..

Would never go up to a random girl and fuck up her day just to have an easier time gaming her.

but thats not even the point. I am not saying to make anyone cry. Just that hottness is all mental. A blind guy could game a hot chick as well as he could an ugly one ifnot better because she will have her mental advantage stripped and then the playing field would be even for a change.


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What everyone else is saying. Keep her as a friend. I had the same problem sophomore and junior year. She liked me at first but i was too shy. First impressions are everything and if you didnt make your move while she was physically attracted theres no chance of getting that back later. Get another gf (as hard as that might be for you with your current knowledge of pua), its hardwired in the female brain that if you have other girls wanting your dna, your sperm suddenly gains value and she feels a need to compete for it. If you can get her to this point and you've read up on some pua tactics between now and when u have a gf you'll be ready when she wants you again. If not just keep her around, try not to fall in love with her like i did and miss all the other tail thats coming your way because of her, thats exactly what she wants. If you are friendzoned just straight up ask her "will u help me pick up girls at the mall?". Thats what i did with my last oneitis, i told her to pick out the hottest girl she could find and i'd get her number. When i did she wanted me xD.

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No, its not really the same as your analogy at all, because going after a professional fighter means he has something you don't and CAN'T get without years of work. No matter how much you fake it, he has a physical advantage so you're fucked.

However, a girl that thinks she is better than you or anyone else has no real advantage. Its all a mind game at that point. You can completely destroy someone's self esteem and image of themselves if you are slick enough with your words. You cant do that to a pro boxer. Because girls dont have a physical advantage. And dont say looks because looks are a mental advantage. Why do hb's think they are fat or obsess more about their looks in public than anyone else. BEcause a lot of them are inseure and those who arent can be easily made to be.
it is the perfect analogy, because confidence and social skills are something you gain due to experience, you don't just read a fucking e-book, put it down, and say, yep... I sure am confident and charming now, it might give you the courage to go out and gain some reference experiences, with an outline of some good ideas (not being needy, not being reactive, not seeking approval, talk to multiple girls), but it takes tons of prior references to make you sure of yourself in certain situations, and it takes alot of practise socializing to naturally improve your social skills, the thing is, some of this advice doesn't make sense to you right now, but really it would after a long time, the answer is more women, not because she is hopeless move on, but because when you have abundance, you become more attractive, it is that simple, a guy with alot of girls on the go, naturally is not needy, naturally doesn't care, he does not have to live by ''fake it till you make it'', he has simply made it, and it is no longer an act, why put money into a dieing stock, if the stocks value goes back up, re-invest or you are throwing your money away (but you actually have to do and believe this, not just do it to ''get her'' that is what neediness is all about, desperation, and a need for something)

you can not learn some pua material and have it immidiatley change you, you have to work on yourself, it could take months, and it could take years, depending on how long you work on yourself, and how much effort you put into it, but there are a whole list of defining factors that currently you would have already demonstrated to her

-how you look
-how confident you are
-if you genuinely like her and how you have expressed this (what your intent is)
-what sort of lifestyle you lead
-how much resources you can provide
-what sort of personality you have

there is alot more to confidence then asking chicks for opinions, then telling them that they are beautiful but beauty is common, what else you got going for you more then your looks?

it is not the words that you say, it is how you say them, how much you believe in them, how sure of yourself you are, and how your
sub-communications/actions/words line up congruently with your intent

if she already likes you for things besides personality/confidence, but it is a lack of these things that screwed you over, then your best bet is to move on, gain more reference points to build confidence off of and stay away from her long enough that she is unsure of the kind of person you are in the hopes you reverse the impression you made on her, or at least have a chance at making a new more confident one, not only that but you would be in more of a position of power if you re-approached her comming with abundance rather then scarcity as you could sub-communicate alot of attractive qualities simply by having more girls in your life

it is not about one girl, it is about alot of girls, and the more you realize this, the easier it will be to get that one girl, you can't just fake and maintain status, you have to actually go out and put in effort to achieve it, work on yourself both physically and mentally and financially, as well as your lifestyle in general


now with all that out of the way, neediness is a bad trait to demonstrate, and hanging on to a girl, or showing interest, when a girl has expressed dis-interest, is telegraphing neediness, keep that in mind in future interactions


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No, its not really the same as your analogy at all, because going after a professional fighter means he has something you don't and CAN'T get without years of work. No matter how much you fake it, he has a physical advantage so you're fucked.

However, a girl that thinks she is better than you or anyone else has no real advantage. Its all a mind game at that point. You can completely destroy someone's self esteem and image of themselves if you are slick enough with your words. You cant do that to a pro boxer. Because girls dont have a physical advantage. And dont say looks because looks are a mental advantage. Why do hb's think they are fat or obsess more about their looks in public than anyone else. BEcause a lot of them are inseure and those who arent can be easily made to be.
They have a mental and emotional advantage dude... Thats 2 out of the 3... Why do you think your being friend zoned? She sees you as less. You don't have the skills and experience with women yet to win her. When you go get some experience you will see what it takes to obtain this women. Without that, you won't be strong enough or well trained.

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wow...well that is some good advice of you last 3 guys...thanks

nothing i didnt know before...but actually really didnt have it in mind...seemed to know that subcontiously...so good that you wrote it so thoroughly...great stuff...

its funny though that all of you always think im sort of a weird, always behind the computer, unathletic nerd :-D

i am confident (maybe a bit too much -> arrogance), at least an hd7 (hot dude?? :-D), a good job (and good amount of money), am athletic, go out a lot and have good social relationships...

just got a bad hand with women and how to treat them (i am cruely honest) ;-)

any advice is still relevant to me and anyone else though, it doesnt depend what kind of person you are otherwise, just what you make out of it...
and my weakness is women :-D tryin to change that hehe

PS: sorry for my partly bad english, its no my mother tongue

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wow...well that is some good advice of you last 3 guys...thanks

nothing i didnt know before...but actually really didnt have it in mind...seemed to know that subcontiously...so good that you wrote it so thoroughly...great stuff...

its funny though that all of you always think im sort of a weird, always behind the computer, unathletic nerd :-D

why would you assume that when no one has said so?

i am confident (maybe a bit too much -> arrogance), at least an hd7 (hot dude?? :-D), a good job (and good amount of money), am athletic, go out a lot and have good social relationships...

oh ya?, did you even really hit on this girl, or try to turn her on in person?, was there times where you are pretty sure she was unsure if she was going to be getting laid that night?, did you ever just push her up against something and start making out with her? and were you really comfortable in all situations and sure of yourself? why haven't you used your confidence to meet over 100 girls and try to make out with them? if your so confident why are you not sure what to do, or what is going to happen with this girl, or how to get her?

please don't confuse confidence with high self-esteem


just got a bad hand with women and how to treat them (i am cruely honest) ;-)

cruely honest = direct, and I doubt you really speak untapped congruently while holding external focus, that usually just results in you blurting out anything you want to please yourself as long as it matches your emotional state and the vibe you have created for the interaction (frame control), there is a difference between, reaction seeking, and thinking of what to say in a situation to get something, or will this person like me if I say this, and that person made me feel this way, I have to make them feel that way, and just choosing how you want to feel, and expressing that feeling shamelessly without using external factors to dictate what comes out of your mouth, essentially being in control of your mind, and expressing without censorship what is on it, free of a dependance of what the outcome will be (if this was you, and how you acted in this situation, this post would not exist and this girl would be ''not your type'')

any advice is still relevant to me and anyone else though, it doesnt depend what kind of person you are otherwise, just what you make out of it...
and my weakness is women :-D tryin to change that hehe

express yourself and your intent more clearly through your vibe and actions, escalate much sooner and more smoothly, be fun and get to know without killing the flow of emotions between you, don't let the emotional state of the interaction become void, improve your looks and style, improve your financial situation, widen your social circle, get better at playing with a girls emotional state, don't ever allow yourself to slouch into an internal focus, seeking validation outside of yourself, you control your emotional state, if you are in a state that is dictated by someone else this is not happening, if you feel no emotions, then chances are you are not controlling your state from within and focusing externally, but rather taking your emotional state from stimulus outside of yourself, while focusing internally, meditation can help you with this, or just focusing on a certain mood you want to feel all day (preferably happiness), don't think of what to say, just focus on how you feel and let your mouth be free to express your feelings, when you find people are reacting to you and reaching the same emotional state as you, then youdoinitright, the more you practice this and hit the vibe correctly, the more socially intelligent what you say will seem, but if you are off the vibe then you will be saying some pretty left field shit and you could end up looking assburgers big time, it takes practice to speak confidently from your core with authority without the need for the approval of others

PS: sorry for my partly bad english, its no my mother tongue
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