So are you saying that the majority of posters here are excellent with women and know what they are doing and we'd all be idiots not to listen to them?

Agree with Mack 100%. I shot down a 9 recently and it was so enjoyable. Stupid bitch.

That's what we need to do. Game these hoes and then let them wonder why they're 'not good enough'.

I'd take a 6 or a 7 who can actually hold a decent conversation over a narcissistic bimbo any day.

Ok, I wouldn't say that. We can add this disagreement to the NLP challenge

I think you mistook me for someone who gives a shit. Seriously, if you get frustrated with trolls on the internet you have serious problems.

A lot of the people on these forums are under the belief that they need to be some ass to get hot girls. Not true at all. As I said you're just going to get shitty left-overs that way.

I can relate to the OP's complaint but it is our task as men to show these dumbfuck girls some proper manners. When they think they're superior you blow em out on their stupidity. Women think they're big shit, but most of them end up in their thirties lowlife and desperate.

I've seen those women on parties begging for some male attention. It was the most eyeopening experience I've ever had. Really entertaining too.

Well, the point is that you can sense what advice is legitimate and what is not.

No, why would someone who is looking for help be able to do that? That makes no sense at all. A layman can't make a difference between someone pretending (with some degree of effectiveness) to be an expert and an actual expert.
Man, wtf are you smoking? Such negativity. Women in my circles generally(!) end up happy and attached. Just for field research I browse girly forums sometimes and I don't think I've ever read a girl writing about "dumbfuck men with no manners", but I guess if they knew what kind of idiots were really out there they might. A person like you talking about "teaching proper manners"...absolutely hilarious!

Indeed. Skill comes from experience and knowledge. However there is a lot of bad and/or negative on here and if you go out into the world applying those things your results might be even worse than if you had been just your awkward self.

Also, a lot of the stuff on here sounds good on paper but doesn't really hold up very well in reality due to congruency issues. A good example of this is C&F. Not everyone can carry this well (not being able to do this doesn't mean you suck) but they may blame themselves or the woman when they fail, instead of realizing the theory is flawed.

Anyway, I don't know, I've had the revelation that basically everything on this site and in the "PUA community" is pure nonsense a while ago and now there is an actual topic on it so don't mind if I do say so sir.

The vast majority here are recovering AFCs and have just recently been terrible with women. Now they are struggling with the same kinds of problems you are and you could exchange ideas with them.

Some people here are above average with women despite the fact that they started out as terrible with women too. They have learned and they know what people need in order to improve.

A few are really good and know a lot about women and pickup. They have also started out as you and they have an understanding of how difficult it is to start out.

Then we have the naturals, those who are excellent with women and have always been, for a variety of reasons. Yes, you can learn from these guys but it takes a lot of effort and it takes a lot of analytical skill because they often dont even know why they are successful. They may be good looking or have the right mindset or the right tonality but since they are used to it, they cannot teach it. If Brad Pitt would tell you how to get a woman, he would say, appear and be yourself. That naturally works for him since he is Brad Pitt, but for the rest of us who arent Brad Pitt, it is useless information.

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I'm not trying to be a dick Ezo, but you're being a Pick Up Snob in my opinion.

bbardot: you just reminded me about porn

It doesn't really matter whether or not the PUA community helped me with women. It has helped myself and who I am and that's what most important.

It has made me come to the realization that women are just women, but I am a man.

In this particular case I was just talking about the girls that are dumbfucks. Those do exist. I am no negativist by all means and I love all ages and races but some just need some manners drilled in. (This of course has nothing to do with gender but in this case it's about women, so I take the example of women.)
And as far a the point they end up desperate I've seen different cases. But I'm happpy for you your relatives and friends end up happy. Because that's the way it should be.

All right. In that case, nice of you to sacrifice your time and effort to teach those people some manners. I don't think I would because there are enough other ppl with manners.

that's really cute.