So here, I take the plunge for the first time in my life and ask for a date with this girl which personality kinda match with mine(same tastes and stuff).
I ask for a movie, I know some people here thinks its a bad first date but really i don't give a fuck.
What I don't get is her response. She couldn't have been more vague about weither or not she liked me. For some reason I tought once you asked a girl out it was either polite rejection: sorry ive got something. or an excited yes i would love to!
Then she said: yeah it would be pretty cool. Who's coming?
Me(kinda pissed at her question: Us.
her: Oh ok, sure.
5 seconds.
her: it would be cool I'll check if I'm advanced enough in my studies tommorow and we can make it.
Me(kinda direct): Look I don't want to force you into anything you don't want to do.
her: No it would be cool really.
Then we talk about something else and I make her laugh and we arrive at her appartment and thanks me for the lift.

Frankly I never saw that coming. I tought she was kinda a shy girl even tough she liked to tease men a bit too much. She's definatly shy at first. I never foresaw this. I tought it would be settled, yes or no, but now she came at me with a maybe. Really when i saw it coming I instinctly went into a "are you really doing this to me? being vague?" mode, like I'm too good for that. I think it was the best way i could have handled things at that moment, if she finally says no its probably because of my lack of skills in the past and not because of that.

But here I'm still puzzled. She's either honest and doesn't really know if she wants to, she's rejecting me too politely or she's playing hard to get and she do wants it.

Whatever happens I'm still proud of my reaction, how I behaved. I was assertive and didn't go in her tests if they were ones.

Any constructive comments?

Well kudos on asking her out. That took some balls.

The way I see it, she was probably confused because while you were getting to know her she wasn't picking up the vibe that you were interested in her in that way. So when you did ask her out, for her, it was out of no where. She wasn't prepared to see you in that way. You've probably been really friendly with her, but not given off a sexual or romantic vibe. So when you asked her out, she had to immediately see you in a whole new light and it caught her off guard. Which would explain the vague and delayed response, her brain had to instantly process the new information, figure out how she felt about it.

But this is a good thing. I say, if she is interested, go out and get some experience. No matter how the date goes, you will learn a lot from it.

And again congratulations on taking the initiative to ask her out.

thanks.
Yeah... I was probably too subtle on the romance part. It did seem a bit like she didn't see it coming.
Now she's asking for coffee instead of the movie, which does kinda makes sense and I guess she wants to take it more slowly and not go full out dating. She probably isn't sure and wants to know me better. It's understandable since we almost never were alone together to relate before.
Still it could have gone better and it could have gone worse. I'll try to hug her at first to show I'm not so shy.
I guess she can't figure me out. Well... I was kinda trying to show I wasn't interested(feigned disinterest is a kind of flirting no?) I probably was too good at it... lol.
Anyway I still got a chance I guess.
And I found out I take rejection in a good way. it's been like 3 times I've felt rejected and I always react in a "Too bad for her she doesn't know what she's missing" way. The stress of not knowing is a lot worse.

So I come here to close my little story.
So there it is I was a little boy to this girl, whatever I said or done, made her laugh entire nights, receiving flirtatious looks from her. Even if my IQ is pretty high and she knows it, I'm tall and naturally broad shoulders, I'm not ugly I look like a man.
But I was a little boy because she tought I had no experience with women, wasn't popular enough, even if I'm the leader of my social group(of geeks) she always hangs out with, to her I'm still a geek with no experience and my personality, our shared tastes and my humor(which is good) didn't make it up, no sparks.

I already knew it but I instinctically had hope it wasn't true.
The stuff about social status or popularity being attractive to girls.
I experienced it first hand now so I can learn from my mistake.
Game is a way to simulate you have a lot of experience with women.
Once they know you really don't you don't really stand much of a chance even with that geeky girl, unless she's desperate(ugly). Your best bet, if you never had experience with women before, is to meet girls that never met you before and if you don't want to lie then avoid saying the truth and hope she subconsciouly sees some social status in you so she does get the "spark".

In some way it makes having sex a lot easier. In another way it makes life kinda depressing.
If you want sex it's very easy if you can lie. Go to a club hit up a conversation and let them know you are in med school. No need for any game after that, she's most likely gonna get that vaginal spark.

I don't say that only because I'm kinda pissed at her. I say it because I think it is fact, and it's kinda nauseating.

Not going to lie and say social status doesn't matter in school/college whatever. It means everything, while you can't easily change that (unless you date a few cheerleaders )

What you can change is yourself, personally I would have just been alpha on the date and assumed she liked me, cocky funny lots of teasing which you said happened.

Then I would have been a man and planted a kiss on her to show her that I was confident enough, you've out rationalised yourself and over analysed.

Nah make yourself more attractive to a woman or find a way of portraying it, no need to lie about being in med school.

Game doesn't simulate! Game GET's you lots of experience with women

Your issue was that you took a half measure. You learned a little game and you applied it half way. You didn't try to change yourself or the habits that you have that are inhibiting your game. You wanted to be able to stay, pretty much the same, yet have a completely different outcome. I am very proud of you that you took initiative and made a move. But if you want real success, you are going to have to perform a full measure. You can't half ass this, you have to commit yourself completely, and step out of your comfort zone, both mentally and in action.

I get the feeling you are a very moral guy that holds women in a very high esteem. Unfortunately you have now realized that they are not as kind and perfect beings as you assumed. You now realize that they can be shallow, they can be petty and egotistical. And most importantly, you've realized that even if you are perfect for them and their best option, they may not choose you if you can't back it up with game.

What you are failing to see that "game" is not manipulative. We are not trying to "trick" girls into doing anything. We are selling a product and the product is us. It's just marketing. But in this case its a product that women really want, really need. A product that can bring great value and happiness into their life, if they are just smart enough to take it. Unfortunately, without good marketing, no one will buy your product, no matter how good it is.

So think of it this way. Women are going to pair up with men no matter what. You are a good decent man, who will respect them and treat them right. If you don't know how to market yourself to women, you are denying women the option of being with you. Because you can't flirt and game properly, they don't get to be with you, and they have to settle for some douche who will treat them bad, but has game. So you owe it to your future girlfriends to improve your game, or else they may never meet you, and they will have to settle for the jerks of the world, instead of you.

Luckily you have stumbled upon PUA, and now you realize that game is just another skill that can be taught and learned. And if you dedicate yourself to learning, trying, and improving your skills in this part of your life, the possibilities are endless. But you have to allow yourself to change. If you hold too much to the way you are now, you will greatly limit your success, because right now it isn't working, and your only option is change. The only way to succeed with women more is to make a change, to allow yourself to grow and evolve, in your experience and your confidence and your skill. If you don't allow yourself to change, you don't allow yourself to grow.

But I digress. I'm just hoping you don't let this first bad experience stop you from continuing onward. The questions you should be asking yourself is "What have I learned from this experience? And how will it help me with women in the future?"

Well thanks for the support guys, I didn't expect so much really.

However PUAs can be wrong. I think mystery or Mehow said that a rock star will behave like a rockstar and pick up girls even if he goes somewhere he is unknown. Well I think this is simply untrue, sure his confidence and experience with a lot of women will help, but if he doesn't tell her he's a rock star, it might come up has narcissism and player-attitude. Women don't like players. For example the guys in any university that gets the most women are probably in the university football or basketball team. However they seem to get that their "magic" comes from the fact they are good at a sport, and I read in a evolutionary psychology book that they notice a huge difference in women's reaction to them depending on the setting of a party, if the party is not about sport at all they are probably gonna be unknown and won't be the center of attention. Some of them even wear their jerseys as much as possible to get more women because they know they have to tell them they are in the university team as soon as possible. And yes this is advertising, but it's advertising truth about your social status.

Game is advertising that you are good with women. Being good with women isn't natural, it comes from experience, even in the case of PUAs, I've read maybe 4-5 books about different PUAs and they were all low status average guys before, and the common thing they all have done to become good was to go in an intensive period of 1-2 years where they met a lot of women. Even guys who got introduced to the game directly by other PUAs seemed to need a year or two to get really good at it. In this case what they are advertising for is their experience with a lot of women, and we all know women are attracted to men with a lot of experience with them, because as a rule, women are similarly attracted to social status and if a woman falls for a guy it means he has something in the social status range. Another factor they all shared was that they sold books and probably made some or a lot of money by selling them, this alone can prove their social status because simply of the money alone or the fact they succeeded selling a book.

I understand you have to advertise yourself, but if your trying to act like you have lots of experience when you don't I fail to see where the honesty is.

What PUAs are advertising for is the "best" method to pick up women. I fail to see how the best method takes you 2 years to get good at. Anyone who goes to get game like a part time job will get good after 2 years of it. And some PUAs seem to say there are no magic wands.

But make sure a woman see you arrive in a maserati and I'm pretty sure she'll find your bad jokes funny, she'll try to get your attention, try to know if you're willing to start a relationship with her and it's not just for sex, etc. There's your magic wand. A lot of PUAs on their marketing pages say that being rich is not needed, but they are not being completely honest because they never said it's still the best way to get women. I'd rather concentrate on my studies and try to become a businessman like I always wanted than concentrate on PUA stuff like a carreer.