Hi Don,

Not sure if this really is a textgame question but since I asked you some textgamequestions about this same HB about a month ago, my guess is you are the man with the plan on this.

So here's the situation. After following your advice and reading up on escalation I got HB on the phone. Told her we were going to get lunch the following week. HB got all defensive, turned out she had exams and she needed to study or else she wouldn't be able to get her degree this year. To me this is a valid reason. So I calmed her down, asked about the exams, did a little marriage/divorce roleplay, she played along, we had fun, she even made me laugh when she told me she was man enough to raise our boys. I wanted to end the convo after about seven minutes. Told her that the week after her exams I had some things lined up in *where she lives* and that I would give her a call so she could join me. HB immediatly turned defensive again saying:

HB: It's my last week off before internship. A lot of people want my time. I'll let you know.

In Holland, where I live, this means you're not a priority and chances are 95% she'll say no when you call her. So I told her that in that case I had to withdraw my offer and was going to take other people.

As you know I already knew this HB in my afc days. After I hung up I immediatly decided it was going to be to muchwork to get that afc-image of me out of her head and that I was going to move to the next. Learned a lot. And so I did.

So days go by, gaming other women. Now HB internship is almost starting and out of nowhere she starts texting me some bullshit about sports. To be clear, her texting about sports is not an ioi. Unlike the majority of women she is actually in to sports, thats how we met.

My question is, is there any response to this. Should I respond at all? I still want to bang her, but I defenitly don't want to go all afc on her and be there whenever it suits miss selfish.

As said it's just semi-textrelated but thanks for your time anyway!

From one Don to another...

Well, that wasn't half bad, but you could've won more points if you'd made the thing about her.

Something like, "I just saw this thing and it reminded me of you.. blah blah blah blah" or similar stuff.

It's no secret. Women love to talk about themselves. Use this bit of information to your utmost advantage when holding conversation with them, and you can be assured of replies.

Well, you can give it one more try. But, I'd suggest you to start looking elsewhere too. Never a good thing to be too invested in one girl.

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" You're born alone and you die alone and this world just drops a bunch of rules on top of you to make you forget those facts. But I never forget. I'm living like there's no tomorrow, because there isn't one. "

To be honest, all those options range from try-hard to Oh, God No. That's how bad they are.

Just be honest with her.

"Hey, I didn't know you'd be interested in coming out with me. But, I'll remember this little piece of information the next time I'm making plans. "

That's just direct and you're letting her know that you'll keep her in mind. Also, she could qualify to you based on the " didn't know you'd be interested in coming out with me" line about how she likes your company, how she'd enjoy it with you blah blah blah and such.

Instead of over-complicating things, always go for the simplest answer.

Google Occam's Razor and you'll learn something new for the day.

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" You're born alone and you die alone and this world just drops a bunch of rules on top of you to make you forget those facts. But I never forget. I'm living like there's no tomorrow, because there isn't one. "

Wow, she really seems to be into you. And you've done a good job by holding the not needy frame, while giving her, her space to mull about this. But, don't be too latent in expressing your desire for her, otherwise she'll choose her current boyfriend over you.

Women want to know that they are valued and have an effect on us, more than we let on. Letting them know the magnitude from time to time, keeps them hooked and they want to come back for more and more.

Also, don't Strawman her again, if she's reacted negatively to it once. She seems to be into you and you're pushing a lot of the right buttons. Don't ruin that.

Keep going with your current frame, but start showing some direct, clear intent and some honesty about how much you're attracted to her. But, be careful to do it when she least expects it. It has the maximum impact when it comes as a surprise. Trust me on that.

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" You're born alone and you die alone and this world just drops a bunch of rules on top of you to make you forget those facts. But I never forget. I'm living like there's no tomorrow, because there isn't one. "

Sexual Innuendos, Misinterpreting her words in a sexual way, framing sentences with double meanings, descriptions about sexual actions, talking about body sensations, talking about the effect she has on you in a sexual light and such things will generally serve you well.

Be direct and more importantly, be bold when you're going sexual. If she's a little shocked, it's probably a test to see how strong your frame is and how confident you are with leading this line of conversation. Stick to your guns.

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" You're born alone and you die alone and this world just drops a bunch of rules on top of you to make you forget those facts. But I never forget. I'm living like there's no tomorrow, because there isn't one. "

See, here's the thing, your conversation with her is bordering on the "nice" and on the "normal" side of things. Now, you need to get it to something "more than normal",try to have lengthier conversations with her. Discuss substantial stuff.

Go back a page or two on this thread and I've listed a long list of topics which can be discussed back and forth for hours. Also, try to get to know the reasons behind her answers, which would give you more threads of conversations.

Look, you need to be able to build some kind of attraction with her, before you can ask her out. Right now, you're sounding more and more like a friend and that's a warning sign already.

Also, if she's nervous it's because she's pinging off of your frame, you must be doing something to make her so. Be comfortable, lean back in your seat and talk slowly, next time. See the difference. Her outcome directly depends on your frame. That's an important lesson for you to take down here.

Also, negging is bloody overrated. I'd say you can do fine with giving out compliments when they are deserved and not all the times, like most idiots do. If she feels like she's earning your compliments, she'll value them and you ,more. It's that simple.

Hope I've covered all your doubts here.

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" You're born alone and you die alone and this world just drops a bunch of rules on top of you to make you forget those facts. But I never forget. I'm living like there's no tomorrow, because there isn't one. "

She seems to use you as an option when there's no one else to text and pass the time with.

I don't think she's invested at all in you, to be honest.

Now, it comes down to your choice: Waste time and messages on a girl when you're bored and there's nothing better to do, with no hope of a positive outcome, atleast none any time soon OR Find someone new, someone who's more interested and hence, worthy of your time and with whom your messages and time are better spent on.

Don't even have to ask me to know which option I'd go with.

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" You're born alone and you die alone and this world just drops a bunch of rules on top of you to make you forget those facts. But I never forget. I'm living like there's no tomorrow, because there isn't one. "

You're right man!

Thanks for your answer!

Yea you are absolutely right Don.

She texted 2 days later saying " Oh I thought I replied I am sorry, That's terrible I am sorry " It might be a possibility that shes not a big fan of texting?



Since she likes Hockey and I find it boring should I randomly text her the line you recommended? Something like hey I just saw something that reminded me of you line?

Again appreciate what you do for the community Don, keep it up brotha.

Thanks I like it, it says a lot between lines and it isnt too obvious.

It might be that. Or it might be that she's not the brightest person in upstairs department.

Either way, you can try some version of my "lines" or you can invent something about the whole hockey liking of hers and tease her on it..

"Hockey lover, aren't you? Was that your way of telling me you're Canadian? " (I hope she's not actually Canadian)

If she is, then just add a "typically" between the you're and Canadian bits.

Look, here's the thing, I can give you suggestions but you need to mold them into your words to make it come across as 'you'. Directly using my suggestions makes it come across as 'me' since those are from my frame. Alter my lines to your frame to come across as genuine, but different.

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" You're born alone and you die alone and this world just drops a bunch of rules on top of you to make you forget those facts. But I never forget. I'm living like there's no tomorrow, because there isn't one. "

Hi Don
THanks for the advise.

She knows im attracted to her. should i be least available to her as for now i always there for her when she needs me. Do you think this is kind of like a DLV of myself ?

Hey Don, what do you think of this text (read the first line here somewhere and kept it going):

ME: Punch yourself on my behalf
HER: Why??
ME: You know exactly what you did.
HER: What did I do??
ME: Here I am trying to focus on [whatever it is you're doing] and you're breaking my concentration. Selfish girl.

(If she responds playfully I'm thinking about going with something like "When we meet, you're gonna have to make it up for me". Though this might put too much pressure, don't know)

Thoughts? I'm using this for a girl that used to friendzone me a couple of years ago (I'm talking "bro" material here), I already ran some successful text game on her and we set up a date (?) in about two weeks. Things were going great so far, but two weeks is a long time and I don't want to let it get cold, hence the random pinging.

Basically I'm trying to show her that I ain't going for friendzone this time, but I'm thinking this might be too soon and might look like DLV. Our texts so far involved some laughs, a lot of teasing and a little DHV story. She's been very responsive and initiated a lot. Got plenty of IOI's but I just want to make it very clear that this isn't a friendly date, otherwise this might end up awkward. What do you think? Showing interest too soon?

hey Don,
i was just wondering and thought you may be able to answer a question for me...

so i txtd a girl the other day who i have been told is unsure about me and thinks im a playa playa. she didnt reply for a day and a half.
to me that says either she first saw it and thought "no im not replying" and then kept thinking about it for the next day and decided to reply....... or ....... she saw it and thought she would play hard to get and thats what was with the tardiness.

whats your take on it?

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BTW I've tried this right now on a different girl and it worked well, but she was already in my pocket and we slept together several times. Doesn't really count.

I was thinking instead of the post above, maybe this will be better (a variation of the twin sister thing):

ME: So now you're following me? (I teased her a little for checking out my FB photos before)
HER: Why?/No/You wish
ME: Either you're at [awesome place] or I just saw your twin sister!
HER: Nope/You're just thinking of me/You're looking for a reason to talk to me
ME: Sure it's you. You think anyone else has such a large head? (Old joke we had, she's always playful about this and knows I'm joking and she knows that she's hot)
HER: LOL/Wasn't me/Jerk/Fuck off
ME: It's alright, you can follow me. Of all the stalkers I know you're my favorite. Though your twin sister looks like she might be more fun

Classic pull/push/pull/push. I think this will work well for several reasons: First it's a casual way to start a random conversation without looking desperate. Second, it shows value (going to awesome places, having several stalkers) and confidence without being obvious about it. Most importantly, last line gives her the idea that I'm interested in her for something other than friendship, which is my main goal here - showing my intentions so I don't slip into friendzone (again) for all eternity. Thoughts?