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sorry admin, had to multi post my big post because i kept getting some bs error msg saying i tried to post a URL never did find the problem when i broke it down... oh the irony


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really, you are extremely reactive, I would guess you are needy, you probably learned a few routines and now you think your some better person or something, you need to work on yourself, this is criticism, no one is trying to insult you, just help you out, it is obvious by your post you have a very fragile ego, and a negative victim outlook on life, your will be defined by the actions you take, if your actions are as a result of other peoples approval and you lack that outward validation you will find your life become more and more negative, think of people as a mirror into yourself, you get treated how you treat others, how people react to you is a reflection of how you feel about others on the inside, if you are unhappy, people will be unhappy being around you, if you hate others, others will in turn hate you back, what you do creates causation, and having everyone hate you everywhere you go and your parents on your ass about not making something out of yourself says alot more then ''IT'S EVERYONE ELSE'S FAULT IM A GOOD PERSON BUT ALL THESE PEOPLE ARE JEALOUS OF ME AND HATE ME CAUSE OF MY AMAZING SUCCESS, BUT IM TOO PICKY AND THAT IS WHY I DON'T ACTUALLY END OFF WITH SUCCESS, AFTER ALL JUST LOST MY V AT 24'', it just doesn't line up, and getting mad about it won't help you either, only trying to improve yourself by being less reactive and emotional towards other people will help you, as well as taking the initiative to better your own life, nothing stops you from being motivated and driven except yourself
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alright had to reply to this one separately...

number one, i am far from needy and desperate, that was one of the very first things that i altered about myself, i faked it until i made it. needy and desperate is anti seductive. period. and obviousely so.

if you honestly believe that i have a fragile self image of myself wow... just wow... your accusing me of being insecure in a nutshell. wow... basically calling me arrogant. which i will definitely accept. thank you. might have something to do with moderate success with women before shit hit the fan.

fragile ego... do you even know the correct psychological definition of ego? oh damn, a defensive response.

i dont need validation from anyone thank you very much, i just need people to stop trying to fuck with my life and income. you basically just called me a validation seeking woman right there. "do you like me? do you like me? how about now? cmon i did a good job right? hey ralph what do you wanna do? *jumps up and down all around the bigger dog* wanna chase cats? huh huh huh? **8ahhhh shuddaaaap***.

my parents for the record wherent on my ass for not making something of myself, once again you either failed to read the entire post or wtv the fuck ever went through your mind. they accused me of being a fucking mooch, and it wasnt more so my parents as my step mother who i regretfully introduced to my father and regretfully encouraged him to date. other people accusing me of not looking for work happened often... no one wanted to see my list of resumes handed out, aside from the social worker after i had a nervous break down and tried to have myself commited. obviousely somethings wrong with me, put me in the puzzle factory and figure it out. i payed taxes right up until i got layed off, we should be square.

and repeating again, guys arent jealous of my amazing success... there envious of the attention and interest you uneducated clout the two words have different fucking meanings. read a dictionary.

to leave things on a positive note you are in fact correct about just 2 things in your reply.

1 yes people tend to react to your mood

2 getting mad isnt solving anything, sure as shit doesnt solve anything fuck am i mad tho. guess i should go ask someone for some god damned advice eh?

oh, i liked the highlighting you did in the quote to, i can see how you might jump to those kinds of conclusions by highlighting specific spots etc. but if you honestly think you can analyze my drink with 1500 words ripped out in an emotional rant, ive got news for you, your no psychologist.


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thats cool and all man, you say you want and outward opinion on your situation (advice) but you clearly are not ready to face critism,

as for reading your post, have you even read your own post?, you have contradicted your self quite a bit now, and you can only see what has been written and make assumptions, nothing is absolute, but there are some prevelent things on the surface

the ego I used was related to in the tolle sense, not in the freudian sense

the fact that you feel the need to prove yourself to others and are really hurt by how they are reacting to you and what they think of you is a good sign that outward validation is import to you, and this has no corrolation with being male or female, if you truly did not need others validation, you would ignore people that did not interest you, and anything negative would not phase you, simply not draw your interest, it is nearly impossible to be completely free from the need for affection and validation but you can certainly ground yourself internally to validating yourself over requiring the validation and approval of others, this relates directly to self esteem

as for the job, the cycle would go something like this:
-you don't have a job and are an adult
-parents get irritated cause you are not free to support
-parents get on your ass
-it is not your fault (even though being employed is totally your responsibility not theirs), but they still have to pay, they don't care whos fault it is, by default you are costing them money, eventually the benifits to having you around outweigh the negatives, this is life
-as for getting a job, anyone can get a job in a city, especially in canada, specificly vancover/calgary/edmonton/toronto/fort mac, you can use jobshop.ca/monster.ca/employment agencies and handing out resumes to do so and get a good 100+ resumes out a day if you actually apply yourself, there are various places that offer internet access and ways to print out resumes depending on what city you live in, also you are not the only person that has ever been kicked out of their house and had to find a job quick or be homeless, it is sink or swim and you get out of it what you put in


As for guys being negative towards you, there will be guys trying to fuck with your game and guys trying to steal girls from you all the time, that is just human nature, but them treating you poorly or negatively is directly a result of your actions towards them, or lack there of, this was already explained in the previous post,

also if you talk to people day to day, like you do in your post, it is pretty easy to see why you would be unsuccessful socially and romanticly

finally, the thing is, yes you are right, how can I know you when I have never met you, but you wrote up a good long essay that gives a feel for the kind of personality you have and vibe you give off, possibly it was written in an emotional slump, and obviously I am not a physchologist, this is one persons opinion, that you asked for in the first place, you can choose to read into these things and make an effort to change, or you can just ignore what you don't like to hear and continue blaming others for your problems, looking for a quick fix, like how to handle a specific obsticle, when really the answer to that question has already been posted in this thread

GOOD LUCK


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Now I have also read your other posts from page one, and can see something, here are some outer game ideas for you

1) value is subjective to the person, the person with the highest status is the person who has the most respect, and respect is either gained through admiration or fear

there fore, if everyone hates you, you are low status (in other words you trying to think mystery method and socially dominate guys isn't doing you any good, it is negative social proof and negative social momentum), stop thinking every thing is a compliance test, stop thinking every guy is trying to dominate you, it is not so, and being so insecure about it is more then likely the reason why you are in these situations in the first place

2)social value in the mystery method sense, is not even needed for a girl to fuck you, this is an idea that stems from mystery method, and plenty of other pua methods don't even support the mystery method ideal of social value, girls just want status, you just have to bring something important to the table for them to deem you important enough to sleep with (not nessicarily social value in the mystery method sense but it is one way to demonstrate status), looks is enough to get most girls interested and game will just turn the maybes into yes's (if it is tight), a no is usually a no, and a girl who is already a yes, will generally stay a yes, being cool only ups the odds and makes you more attractive to them (it is not the only source of attraction), and having things to offer such as security and an attractive lifestyle further solidfies the prospect of a long term partner, this is very important to a lot of girls

3)gaming girls at work is more trouble then it is worth, and you have already seen the wounderful effects of this, getting fired, etc. even if you land a girl at work eventually things usually don't last and girls go crazy and start drama, do you really wanna be the next guy who gets fired for some bullshit sexual harassment claim that has no merit?

4)the reason you are dealing with all this cock blocking and mad hate is cause you precieve it that way and react to it according to how you precieve it, if you won people over and befriended them instead of trying to ''keep your value'', maybe you would have more guys trying to guide your cock instead of blocking it, also social proof is a hell of a lot more powerful then social dominance, if you have 20 guys comming up trying to talk to you every day in front of girls this will get you way more compliance from girls then not passing the salt when a guy asks, stop worrying about this alpha beta bullshit, if people like you, you are by default raising your value, the main guy in the place is the alpha, not the biggest asshole, lots of methods totally go against mystery method, some even say be humble, some say just be direct, some say be the alpha and dominate, some say just be social and build rapport, some say be sexual and make the ho say no, others say lead the interaction and demonstrate authority over her reality, what ever route you take, you don't have to make enemies along the way, and being friendly shouldn't be confused with being a pushover, doing everything everybody wants to get their approval by supplicating for them is being a pushover, not being friendly, but doing nothing for anybody ever and being rude all the time is not going to gain you any status either, you have to give some value to get some investment, you cant just take value from people all day and expect them not to resent you

5)if you want to get with a girl, ask her out and get her contact info, it is a no or a yes, try to turn her on and have fun/sex with her when you take her out, express that you like her through your actions, show her you like her, rather then just bluntly stating it, or do both, either way express yourself, it is a powerful thing

-just don't be needy (don't try to get anything from her or force her to do something, or get mad at her for not reacting in a way that validates what you want)

-don't kiss her ass to get her to like you

just don't do those two things and assume she likes you for the way you are and be confident in yourself and what you want and you will be fine, try to be happy, and realize you can be happy just cause you choose to be happy, you can control your own emotional state

GOOD LUCK


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PostPosted: Mon Jan 23, 2012 1:42 pm 
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You always outshine the master but you are asking us for advice? Riiiight!

You need to lay off the PUA shit and get your head together. I'm not guna criticize someone for not having a job but is clearly trying to get one, that's all a man can do.

You won't find a SINGLE poster on here who talks with as much negativity as you. Of course you have trouble disarming obstacles- you hate everyone!!! You have alot of work to do on yourself. And I don't think guys on here can help you. I suggest counseling or some sort of professional help.


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yea, definitely guilty on being reactive in my comment. being homeless and unable to find a job, then having people, even your own blood accuse you of just wanting to mooch off of people when you know damned well from your study of PU that no woman wants a low value male without a fucking job tends to piss a guy off to the point where he is ready to beat the living shit out of someone for saying something derived from ego driven belief and perception of the world.
I don't think it has much to do with a job, more so how you value yourself.

I was umeployed for 11 months, in which i had a few different women, giving me money to pay my bills, searching for jobs for me and coming over having sex with me, cooking etc.

This entire time I had a negative in my bank account.

Also, I've read the 48 laws of power twice, along with some of roberts other books and the way they teach you to think isn't the healthiest. Who is Robert Greene anyway? is he some master of power? Has he overcome the world? No, he's merely just an author, therefore no matter how much studying he has done, he has never fully experienced the things he writes about on that level, making it sort of fiction.

I hope you can take an open mind to understand my words.

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last three posts, SOLID ADVICE critical no bullshit, and in the first of the three posts point number one hit home. thank you.

as for that retard who still thinks im after the approval of everyone,

eat shit and die, do i get your approval now? oh wait must be doing it wrong.

once again last three posts solid advice.

robert greenes 48 laws of power doesnt sit well with a great many people because of the machiavellian nature of his writing and study of history. the point and relation i was trying to convey is the incredible insecurity of "the master" and what that does. i cant believe no one really wonders why there boss always hires retards and there business doesnt do very well. but when a good boss and a smart boss surrounds himself with solid people they do extremely well.

yes, i fucking hate men with a mad passion, i wont go so far as to say every one of them but in a purely Darwinian competition sense, there are virtually no altruistic betterment of humanity types out there. i do know one or two and they are among my only good friends.

love women period !

and yes, i do really hate people, and stupidity. there a bunch of suckers convinced there gonna be rich and successfull slurping back gmo's that are quickly turning them, and there cattle sterile. thats not even mentioning the obvious fact that we are headed into a major famine sometime in the next 50 years and all of the other completely retarded and self destructive behavior people preform.

there is no help for me on that issue. and obviously there is not going to be any assistance for me that doesnt involve lying through my teeth just to survive.

good day sirs.


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last three posts, SOLID ADVICE critical no bullshit, and in the first of the three posts point number one hit home. thank you.

as for that retard who still thinks im after the approval of everyone,

eat shit and die, do i get your approval now? oh wait must be doing it wrong.

once again last three posts solid advice.

robert greenes 48 laws of power doesnt sit well with a great many people because of the machiavellian nature of his writing and study of history. the point and relation i was trying to convey is the incredible insecurity of "the master" and what that does. i cant believe no one really wonders why there boss always hires retards and there business doesnt do very well. but when a good boss and a smart boss surrounds himself with solid people they do extremely well.

yes, i fucking hate men with a mad passion, i wont go so far as to say every one of them but in a purely Darwinian competition sense, there are virtually no altruistic betterment of humanity types out there. i do know one or two and they are among my only good friends.

love women period !

and yes, i do really hate people, and stupidity. there a bunch of suckers convinced there gonna be rich and successfull slurping back gmo's that are quickly turning them, and there cattle sterile. thats not even mentioning the obvious fact that we are headed into a major famine sometime in the next 50 years and all of the other completely retarded and self destructive behavior people preform.

there is no help for me on that issue. and obviously there is not going to be any assistance for me that doesnt involve lying through my teeth just to survive.

good day sirs.
If you aren't doing anything to help prevent the famine or at least prolong it, how are you any different than the people you talk about?

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It's your negativity that is causing people to dislike you simple as that. When you emanate that kind of energy people step away quickly because it makes them feel bad. It has nothing to do with success. Think about it for a second, why do you think popular people are liked? They have the ability to make the person next to them feel good about themself.


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last three posts, SOLID ADVICE critical no bullshit, and in the first of the three posts point number one hit home. thank you.

as for that retard who still thinks im after the approval of everyone,

eat shit and die, do i get your approval now? oh wait must be doing it wrong.

nope, actually you don't realize the irony of this statement, it seems you don't have a very good grasp on what seeking the approval of others entails, it is not only supplication (as I am assuming that is what you assume), becoming emotionally reactive towards any validation you deem as negative, and reciprocating in an aggressive way due to feeling insecure about how others view you (attacking people) is a form of seeking other peoples approval, you care what people around you think of you, there fore you attack people to protect your ego (in the tolle sense) in the hopes to gain the approval of other people around you, and gain a specific reaction from them (approval), it screams don't fuck with me, you better like me or I'll talk some shit about you, reaction seeking is right up there with supplication
and in actuality bro,

YOUDOINITRIGHT! ;)


once again last three posts solid advice.

robert greenes 48 laws of power doesnt sit well with a great many people because of the machiavellian nature of his writing and study of history. the point and relation i was trying to convey is the incredible insecurity of "the master" and what that does. i cant believe no one really wonders why there boss always hires retards and there business doesnt do very well. but when a good boss and a smart boss surrounds himself with solid people they do extremely well.

yes, i fucking hate men with a mad passion, i wont go so far as to say every one of them but in a purely Darwinian competition sense, there are virtually no altruistic betterment of humanity types out there. i do know one or two and they are among my only good friends.


love women period !

and yes, i do really hate people, and stupidity. there a bunch of suckers convinced there gonna be rich and successfull slurping back gmo's that are quickly turning them, and there cattle sterile. thats not even mentioning the obvious fact that we are headed into a major famine sometime in the next 50 years and all of the other completely retarded and self destructive behavior people preform.

there is no help for me on that issue. and obviously there is not going to be any assistance for me that doesnt involve lying through my teeth just to survive.

you can either change yourself for the better and your outlook, or you can continue bringing negativity into your life, by being negative, no change in you = no change in the outward world or in your success/failure, in life

good day sirs.
GOOD LUCK


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