Funnily enough, when I look in the mirror I don't personally think I'm all that ugly, and I've only been called it once by one of my many school bullies. I just assume I must be ugly, as that is the only rational explanation of why girls never look at me, eye me up, give me IOIs or approach me. I just get ignored by girls, and they seem to write me off without me even talking to them, so my facial physical appearance must be lacking somehow. :S

I think that might just be because you think that.
If you don't value yourself any good, how will you expect others will?
Gotto change that a bit.

Theres nothing you can say to dan..

He has 200 post on this forum all saying the same thing, thats a bit psychotic if you ask me.

Can you afford a shrink sir?

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Are you fcking kidding me?
Dude I almost think that you're not serious and just fucking around, cuz this is exactly the opposite of the truth.. Maybe you should read some topics about how much looks DO matter&try not to lie to yourself..

Or are you just fishing for some compliments&console? Wow man thats really fucked up, no matter what your reason is, hope you get youself out of this shit.

LOL i love how everyones pricks on here and tell it how it is! Basically thanks alot guys I know now for sure I'm being overly senistive that she is trying to control and that I punish her too much. I just want to know one thing if I go really not caring about if she tries to make me jealous or if she gives me attitude will this make me a nice guy? Or will being not caring ignoring her if she acts a bitch be higher value! But your all right I can't let the past ruin a good relantionship! BTW I'm 5'11 blonde hair blue eyes, I'm 20 with a boxers build. I've just been hurt alot by women in the past so for a time i hated them and just wanted to fuck them. I just need to relax a bit more and work on myself!

What exactly is your point Sir? How am I lying to myself? :S When did I say that looks didn't matter? Of course they do.

The weird thing is, I look in the mirror and think I look OK, yet girls don't stare at me, so what am I supposed to think?
I need girls to look at my face. How on Earth does how much I value myself affect what girls think of my face on first meeting, without even speaking with me or knowing anything about my 'personality'?
Mate you'd be equally psychotic if it wasn't for all the gorgeous girls you've successfully played & laid. Yes, I can easily afford a shrink. It's not working though, still no girls wanting me or looking at my face. You'd think statistically that a few girls in the world would like the look of my face, and that statistically a few of those girls would look decent (ie. not obese and not super-ugly), but oh no, apparently I'm not allowed the privilege of feeling sexually wanted that you guys just take for granted. Instead it seems I'm doomed to a torturous 'life' of constant merciless sexual & romantic deprivation. Then I come on here as a last resort but just get moaned at by you guys who look down at me from your sexy alpha ivory-towers, unable to comprehend what it's like to be a virgin compulsively ignored by girls who genuinely feels completely worthless because of this. :S

post a picture of yourself dude, if your really tired of being a pathetic loser... full body with clothes on. And we'll try an help you.

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Dan, I've browsed some of your posts. Have you even tried anything?
Your attitude is what attracts them. They don't need to know about your personality. If you have the stance, the attitude, are well dressed, confident, they'll find you attractive. Then you have to approach them, girls won't approach, forget about that.
Yeah post a pic, I love makeovers

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I have bursts of being a lady, but it doesn't last long.

+1 !

I am well-dressed, and I try and stand confidently and be talkative & jokey with my buddies. But girls will only find me attractive if they like the look of my face, and this is what I need the most in my life, more than money, friends, career, hobbies etc, I just need a pretty girl to lust after my face!

I don't expect them to approach me at all, but I just wish I could get some of this IOI action people on this forum keep on mentioning, where a girl keeps looking at me and trying to catch my eye. If I could just get one girl to ogle my face a few times in a blatantly interested way, with shy come-to-bed eyes, I'd immediately get an tremendous confidence boost and would be able to confidently approach her, chat to her, flirt with her and even tease her, without a care in the world. Yet sadly this never happens, I just can't get 'the look'.

Girls don't approach guys, but what they do do is invite guys to approach them by looking at them and trying to get eye contact, as if to say "Hey, yes you, you're sexually good enough for me, come & talk to me!" The biggest thing missing in my life is girls trying to catch my eye in this sexy inviting way, all that happens is I'm trying to catch their eye but they just avoid me like the plague, as if they're deliberately trying to torture me.

I don't believe your face is your problem. I've seen some really ugly dudes getting it on with hot chicks, getting them into LTRs and marrying them even.
I thing you're just using it as an excuse not to admit other things or actually get out of your comfort zone

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rAFC and yes, I'm a chick.

I have bursts of being a lady, but it doesn't last long.

But how am I supposed to feel good about myself, and feel confident about approaching girls, unless I have girls interested in my face? They always say that cold approaches (not preceded by staring/repeated glances) are very tough and not for beginners. I need a warm approach to get me started, and no girl will do that to me! It's like trying to start a new business but no bank will lend the money to you, and you have no way of making that initial investment yourself. :S

Yeah, you're looking at it upside down. If you warm up your set, you still have to do the warming up. When you catch her eye, cheers with her from distance, smile, wink, whatever, it's still you who has to do the warming up. She won't do it for sure. Why don't you try doing the newbie mission and see the reactions you get? I bet you'll realize it's not bad at all.

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rAFC and yes, I'm a chick.

I have bursts of being a lady, but it doesn't last long.

Ok boy. Listen to me!

I was the worst AFC you can imagine! I had no luck at all and I had nothing going for me.
All that bull about cold approaches not being for beginners, it is just bullshit. I jumped into the worst scenarios I could fine.

I did my initial training in some of the hottest bars I could find with the hottest girls I could find. I did my AMOG training in bikerbars with armed and dangerous drug addicts. But I saw every minor success, even if it was just that the girl rejected me in a nicer way, as a success!

So get yourself out there and start failing or you will never improve. You dont get confidence from others, but if it is validation you seek, you need to sarge to get it.

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I'm not trying to be a dick Ezo, but you're being a Pick Up Snob in my opinion.

bbardot: you just reminded me about porn

@ Danthedan

I normally don't call out people but you my friend have a very negative attitude and your messages are fucking with the new guys on here. You feel suicidal because your a virgin? Do you know how stupid you make yourself sound? How about you take the tampoon out of your pussy and stop whining about how looks are all it takes. A word of advice, people can pick up your extremely negative "I'm a depressed whiney pussy" vibe when you meet them. Maybe this is why you are not having success.....

I was going to PM you but I think outing you will increase your chances to improve.