a few years back, after busting my ass in the gym, to the point of exhaustion, i managed to run into my first lay. this was in fact what lead me on the path of PU. after she toyed with me, i decided to toy back, googling how to make your girlfriend jealous, and then discovered a few PU sites.

long story short, 24 was pretty damned late to loose the V, i committed a great many AFC mistakes, and put the poor girl through some mizzery. in any event, id like to think i have improved myself a great deal since then, but, i have encountered such a great obstacle that i just dont know what to fucking do about it anymore, so i am back on the web, seeking assistance, hopefully with someone who has gone through similar events.

a few years back, i was working in a restraunt, as a cook, which was pretty much all i have ever done, so i am pretty good at it. i really started to game when i was at this place, and low and behold i was seeing results, but being the picky bastard that i am, i turned down a lot of vagina, and although i had experienced the odd hater before, what happened during this phase of my pu developement took me completely off gaurd.

you see i got fired from that job eventually, not because i couldnt do my job, but because i pretty damn well out gamed every male there, and tho i didnt know it at the time, every female i turned down more or less behaived like a woman scorned. i had cooks sabataging entire vats of salads, managers trying to get me fired of rediculous shit, even had a server try to get me fired because i accidently brushed up against a napkin hanging out of her ass pocket. (she was really jealous because i was after someone else).

yes, there was indeed a lot of hate at that time. and after loosing my job, and entering the job search market again, i discovered even more. i went looking for work at other joints, one time, the head chef came out, looked at me up and down and said, were not hiring. i was shocked, to say the least, i knew exactly why as conceded as it sounds. but when someone looks at you up and down and his face changes to that of envy, you just know.

so, a good year went by, i managed to find a part time job in sales, which low and behold my pu training had given me a bit of a nack for. but that didnt last long because yet again, the boss didnt like the attention i was getting from the girls at the mall, and he didnt like that when he was away on vacation and one of my co workers quit, and no one could get a hold of him that i took care of shop, and seemingly ignored the fact that i worked double shifts (16 hours a day) so as to save him thousands of dollars in fines from the mall. then he tried to take all that over time and give me straight time...

well so as this doesnt turn into a giant bitch fest. ill just cut to the chase. i clued into exactly what was happening after devouring a few more books on psychology and human social behavior. tho, by this time, i had already lost my appartment, racked up the credit cards just to pay rent and feed myself, i lost my beloved ferrets, and all of my former afc life friends. (good riddenze anyway). and was eventually left with nothing. i sold everything trying to bounce back. eventually, even my parents started to accuse me of not looking for work, despite having documented over 500 resumes that one year, and just as many the next. i stayed with a lot of relatives, and when that ran out, i ended up homeless this last year, tho just for a little while. what a mess of problems that was.

ive since bounced back, unfortunetly its been a good year or two since i have worked out, suppose i lost all the pay off from all that hard work too. gained a bunch of weight also, went from 174p when i had my appt, to about 220. cut my hair down to the wood, and BAM landed jobs.

now i cannot begin to express how incredibly unhappy i am to have discovered that other males will go out of there way to destroy another male when it comes to sex, especially when they have no idea how to be an alpha in the first place. they think they know, but there really clueless. i also cannot begin to express how unhappy i am to have lived as a novice PUA, if that at all, and now going through a huge dry spell.

but here is where i need the advice.

you see i have recently decided that even if it means being homeless and unable to find a job because of insecure afc mother fuckers running the show, i am going to go back to the gym and get in shape again, AND start to game again because i hate that i have gotten rusty.

the only thing that has really changed, is my attitude towards other males. and yes i realize it is slightly conflicting to be asking other males for advice when i am about to say what i am about to say.

i hate men, i mean that with a blind passionate rage, i blame afc's for the nights i spent sleeping outside of town border line hypothermic because i couldnt start so much as a fire to keep warm without getting arrested or worse.

i find myself willingly justifying punching some asshole in the throat and watching him choke to death when i see a flash of envy cross his face because i know what comes after that, deep down i know this is wrong and wont do it. (and yes at 220 i still get attention from chix, because as many of you know its 90% mental when it comes to women, and i am still the same man on the inside even if these twats cant see past my exterior and hire me, the women certainly do. +the rage i suppose)

my biggest failure in PU has been disarming the obstacles, and i know its something that is partially my fault. i want to fix it. but if i cannot, well, fuck it, all of it, i see no reason to be civil in the future, and i most sincerely want to be civil. ive led a pretty spiritual life up until recently.

help.

your problem is yourself not other people

not everyone will like you, but if absolutely everyone dis-likes you, you are obviously not a likable person and your story seems hard to believe, every girl likes you? yet they try to get you fired?, every guy is jealous?, mad pua skills with little to no closes?, just doesn't add up, same thing with work, you can say you made an effort but really, mcdonalds will hire anyone and you can find a job from there, there is no excuse for being homeless and jobless

now I know that I sound a bit like an asshole in this post, but I mean seriously look at yourself objectively and try to improve yourself, instead of just thinking, Im so great and everyone is jealous, maybe there is a reason for them dis-liking you that you could correct, instead of assuming it is them and not you

Don't ever mix business with pleasure. Just be professional and do your job well, ignore the chicks at work and game at other places.

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rAFC and yes, I'm a chick.

I have bursts of being a lady, but it doesn't last long.

I don't think I have ever posted a negative pist but there is a first time for everything.

I couldn't agree more with the other post that you obviously have personality flaws that need addressing. If someone doest like you- shit happens. When everyone seems to have a problem With you (and vice versa) it's your own doing. Period.

There is something called bataris box, it's a circle and it goes

My attitude affects my behavior which affects your attitude which affects your behaviour (then it starts again)

The point of bataris box is you need to change your attitude otherwise it's a never ending shitty cycle.

1. i did not say every girl likes me and tries to get me fired, i said one girl tried to get me fired, and she was a jealous cunt because i was chasing someone she refered to as " a call girl ".

i did say that a great many MALES tried to get me fired and eventually succeeded. re read the post instead of jumping to ego driven statements of dis belief. that was the most afc reply i have ever seen in all my time.

2. yes, i realize there is a flaw in myself which is why i am asking for advice, i already stated that i failed to disarm obstacles.

3. no excuse for not having a job... excuse me, but pull your fucking head out of the sand, you ignorant son of a bitch if you said that to my face in the state of mind that i am in right now i would have ripped your acl/dcl out and sent a knuckle between your ribs and into your liver, you ignorant mother fucker. you dont actually believe the economy is recovering do you? where does money come from dipshit? think people are gonna pay off there national debt? fuck you

do you honestly believe that i didnt apply at mcdonalds? that a guy with 10 years experience working at resort kitchens and hotels is so incompetent that he could not find a job, when there are retards who can barely figure out how to scrape a grill when there burgers are going out raw?

fuck you, i know guys who passed out 900 resumes and landed pt jobs shoveling snow, and low and behold it snowed like twice here this year, think there pissed off? there college grads. thats not even mentioning my genius brother who has years of school under his belt for computer programing, he works pt at a fucking warehouse for just above min wage, a far cry from the six figures he was promised before he went to school.

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disbelief, teh, three comments with a rudimentary understanding of anything even remotely related to what i am going through. fuck all three of you, here is a reading list do your god damned homework.

48 laws of power
seduction
the selfish gene
the red queen
33 strats of war
the art of war
i know what your thinking
body language for dummies (this is especially for you three)
the 50th law
double your dating
how to win friends and influence people
the secret
the prince

and throw a fucking encyclopedia or two while were at it. ignorant uneducated chumps.

really, you are extremely reactive, I would guess you are needy, you probably learned a few routines and now you think your some better person or something, you need to work on yourself, this is criticism, no one is trying to insult you, just help you out, it is obvious by your post you have a very fragile ego, and a negative victim outlook on life, your will be defined by the actions you take, if your actions are as a result of other peoples approval and you lack that outward validation you will find your life become more and more negative, think of people as a mirror into yourself, you get treated how you treat others, how people react to you is a reflection of how you feel about others on the inside, if you are unhappy, people will be unhappy being around you, if you hate others, others will in turn hate you back, what you do creates causation, and having everyone hate you everywhere you go and your parents on your ass about not making something out of yourself says alot more then ''IT'S EVERYONE ELSE'S FAULT IM A GOOD PERSON BUT ALL THESE PEOPLE ARE JEALOUS OF ME AND HATE ME CAUSE OF MY AMAZING SUCCESS, BUT IM TOO PICKY AND THAT IS WHY I DON'T ACTUALLY END OFF WITH SUCCESS, AFTER ALL JUST LOST MY V AT 24'', it just doesn't line up, and getting mad about it won't help you either, only trying to improve yourself by being less reactive and emotional towards other people will help you, as well as taking the initiative to better your own life, nothing stops you from being motivated and driven except yourself

Hey dude, im extremely attractive physically and it has had the exact opposite effect. All the girls at every job i work at love me and the guys love me because I can get the girls. Bosses have pulled me to the side just to ask me how I do it..

Which leads me to say its definitely has to do with something inside of you; its most likely your attitude. Based on your post I can already tell you need an attitude adjustment. You don't seem like a very likable guy just based on what you wrote. No matter how good your game is..

Just look at Pauly D from jersey Shore, or every other attractive nice guy that pulls chicks. People don't hate them,... Point the finger toward the mirror like pump said.

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Well dude, I don't know what it was about my answer that offended you. I guess I'll go read a book and maybe I figure it out. Cheers!

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rAFC and yes, I'm a chick.

I have bursts of being a lady, but it doesn't last long.

yea, definitely guilty on being reactive in my comment. being homeless and unable to find a job, then having people, even your own blood accuse you of just wanting to mooch off of people when you know damned well from your study of PU that no woman wants a low value male without a fucking job tends to piss a guy off to the point where he is ready to beat the living shit out of someone for saying something derived from ego driven belief and perception of the world.

i did a LOT of work on myself, i went from believing i was so ugly i couldnt get a kiss to making out with three different chicks in one day. good looking ones, my first lay was an easy 8. sucked my dick damn near every day, and you wouldnt believe the shit she would say. ive been called magic fingers to sexy beast. all kinds of shit, it made 23 years of bullshit disapear in an instant.

i know for a fact, that the happier i am, the more cheery, joke around kind of attitude, kill em with kindness and all that i put out, the more misserable the certain people around me seem to be, and when im having a bad day, they are definetly more pleased about themselves.

i learned to be happy from within via the secret and that was a major mile stone in my personal development, and yes, when your happy go lucky people tend to gravitate towards you so that some of that will rub off. but that lovely law of attraction also attracts HATERS. these people feel envy. something robert green devotes nearly his entire book 48 laws of power on the subject, with virtually no advice on how to handle other then avoid the green eyed monsters.

take for instance, when this super hot red head started to take a liking to me.

before that rather obvious IOI she gave me in public, i had a buddy who was a little older, turns out he had a huge crush on her, and when she started that flirtatious behavior, he went from hey buddy, to fuck you what do you have that i dont.

i learned to be happy from within via the secret and that was a major mile stone in my personal development, and yes, when your happy go lucky people tend to gravitate towards you so that some of that will rub off. but that lovely law of attraction also attracts HATERS. these people feel envy. something robert green devotes nearly his entire book 48 laws of power on the subject, with virtually no advice on how to handle other then avoid the green eyed monsters.

take for instance, when this super hot red head started to take a liking to me.

before that rather obvious IOI she gave me in public, i had a buddy who was a little older, turns out he had a huge crush on her, and when she started that flirtatious behavior, he went from hey buddy, to fuck you what do you have that i dont.

dont give me that victim speech either, I KNOW that there is something i am doing wrong if someone out there can pull chicks like crazy and still have guy friends. that or your to god damned naive to see through the play that people put on for the world to see. personally i would like to think the ladder is incorrect. this is not a woe is me, the whole world is out to get me, because i do every now and again run into a legitimately genuine good individual who happens to be a male. probably 1 in 50. and also after they observe the situations typically say something along the lines of, i dont envy you at all. they all like you. which isnt entirely correct because like i said previously not all the girls go gaga over me.

yes i take huge offense when someone says there is no excuse for not having a job no shit really? tell that to the thousands and thousands out there who cant find work, you know. the ones lined up outside the un employment office? hey guess what, been there too. the social worker number one dissected my resume and i took her advice and re did it, the way i had it was the way i was taught in high school, the way she presented was totally different, three weeks later still no luck, and a second social worker took the re made resume and goes. oh this is all wrong, you gotta do this this and this, so i re did it again. still no luck. so i took the best of both (according to what i thought and knew about psyco bullshit) and my last employer said holy shit, i have never seen a resume that good before, you can do all this? i said yes! 10 years experience in a kitchen working under some of the best chefs i could find over western canada, of coarse i can do what i said, hire me and ill prove it!

then i do a good job, show leadership qualities, take initiative, get the job done, train new employees etc. ALL OF THIS IS A DISPLAY OF HIGH VALUE for the lamens reading. chicks start to take an interest to me out front (not attraction phase because I AM all business at work these days, which to my detriment, and my current theory just makes things worse)

now i want you to understand I can take criticism. i welcome them, it makes me better, just like fucking up and making mistakes and learning from them.

understand this as well, i work in the restaurant biz, i work in the back with a bunch of guys who NEVER score with the extremely hot chix that work as waitresses. ever, one or two even tried to bribe me with money to help them score. i didnt do it, and i didnt take it because number one they have to change and as far as everyone is concerned there perfect and dont have to.

you cannot possibly tell me that none of you have ever not encountered any kind of hater or cock blocker in your time picking up women and expect me to believe it. your honestly gonna sit there and type away giving me shit about my attitude and then say everyone loves me? my boss pulls me aside to ask me how i do it? i call shinanigans, i call bullshit on that. why dont you give me a mental layout of how you operate, are you using self affirmations? whats going through your mind exactly.

(and no shit my current attitude is anti seductive, im expressing myself honestly here and this isnt the kind of thing i normally do/say in real life DUH)

PU tells you to be the life of the party, the center of attention that everyone revolves around. doesnt mention anything about people secretly harboring malevolent attitudes towards you under the surface like robert greens 48 laws of power.

my biggest issue, is that no matter what i seem to do, i always break law 1.

never outshine the master.

so yea, i definitely call bullshit on that ridiculous statement. that was very conceded, self description and all.

now i have read chapters on haters in a few PU manuals, from legit PUA's.

they mainly say, you will encounter men who have given up on getting women and will go out of there way to ensure that other men dont get laid, this is there game they play, and after a while you will start to love the hate, as the PU game tends to get boring, and they make it interesting and offer a challenge.

well. yep, that was all true, sure as shit doesnt mention anything else about work environment. but now i am curious, have any of you read anything about office politics before? im going to guess not.

now i will humor you lot by experimenting with your advice.

what kind of attitude should i have hmm??? do tell. what should my attitude be? go out have fun? yea, i do that, still find haters and they still try to throw me off my game (no biggie, doesnt really work anymore i just smile at the envious compliment which likely pisses em off further) try to destroy my career at work, leave me at the side of the road in the middle of a thunderstorm like my blood brother did. the guy who in the same night told me i should cut all my curly hair off and cant stop trying to put me down in front of others, including my father during SPAM calls.

that was a real shit month of experience, my brother flew down one of his crushes from accross canada, scored with her once, but after we all started hanging out together and having drinks and laughs she started flipping me IOI's like prolonged physical contact with a shit eating grin. no i didnt hit that, unlike most males i have enough respect not do to that to my god damned brother, even tho likely the feeling isnt mutual.

i cant go out to a god damned mall without some other male trying to square me against a mother fucking wall. one time had my head phones on walkin through the mall to work some years ago. mother fucker starts walkin straight at me so i move to the side, moves at me again, i move further, now im right against the wall. theres almost no one else in the mall, so im like fuck it and when we cross i just walked right fuckin threw him cause he tried to check me with his shoulder, i won the push to push contest.

if you want another example of situations like that, and i know damned well other people experience this kind of bullshit. read

CHEAP SHOTS AMBUSHES AND ATTACKS ON THE STREET by a guy nick named animal. youl have to tornt it it get it. not a very popular title in the martial arts community because it touches on human social hierarchy. may have gotten the title wrong tho, ill double check my library later.


now look, guys, i know this turned into a giant whiney bitch fest, this post, is not the face i show the world. while i am at work, i do exactly what im told like a good little beta fish, i help everyone else out, and my personal motto is make everyones life easier so they dont fuckin hate on me any more.

this all does not change the fact that women still take a huge interest in me.

i am sorry if you dont believe me or think i am full of shit, frankly i just dont think your listening to me for christs sake. this is not an attention seeking rant. I KNOW that other people go through this kind of thing.

tube beautifull people, which is a short documentary on the hate experienced by people of all different kinds of nationalities. then read the comments below it, you wouldnt believe the fucking hate.

everything from, oh poor you, your good looking and its so tough, boo hoo, to cut your hair....


now if you dont have any experience with MAD hate and cock blocking, please, fuck off. i can do without your provoking comments. i have enough shit to deal with already.

at work right now, i have been playing it all business and nothing but polite social interaction like, how about this weather, love workin here, or wow what a busy night, and holy shit did that rush suck. mimicking there moods and vocab. but its only working on about 40% of the males there, and that does not include my head chef who is an incredibly insecure LOUD TALKER.

i havent told anyone that i am major into martial arts, (my passion), i havent told anyone that i have an interest in pick up. and i sure as shit havent told anyone that i was homeless for a portion of this last year.

this post is complete brutal honesty in a sincere plee for some fucking assistance.

despite these tactics, there is an easy 8.5 (rated chick) out front who has every weekend been trying to get my attention. (she is pretty hurt that i havent given the slightest bit of interest past friendly talk for the record... and so am i, id finger bang her till she riggled and screamed, and then fuck the hell out of her) a 7 with fake tits that could start a god damned war also swooning for interest. a 6.5 that after i gave her some of my fruit shake when she went low (hyperglycemic) started calling me her hero and googly eyed me (some of you may know that as eye fucked) the dishwasher who is a DUFF went pretty crazy flirting with me for a good two weeks before the chef changed my scheduel so we didnt work at the same time. (no idea if that was on purpose or not, i wont dare make the assumption lest i suffer more lousy god damned comments)

this last week we hired a new batch of cooks most of which i am training, and now i have no idea exactly how many of the 20 or so 7-9's out front like me, in the last two days i have been eye fucked twice by two GROUPS of girls. now im getting comments like for instance tonight, from the guys like. SHOW OFF. and they relentlessly try to dominate me and boss me around. most of which i brush off because there is no point in being reactive and lowering my value. just wanna do my job and collect my money.

NO i am not going to deliberately lower my value and act like an AFC. because you cant be a PUA full time on the side and an AFC at work without having serious personality/identity issues. (psyco fact).

where the hell are the genuine gurus in this joint

man down god damn it. i dont know what to fucking do anymore and i am ready to fucking snap. there are times that i wish i never fucking learned PU because then atleast id still have my beta life/friends and a decent fucking job with security.


MAN DOWN

p.s. i ranted this out and appologize for the speln ers. this is not a trol, ive had four hours sleep since yesterday and i want to sleep, or i would correct my post.