Observe, observe everything

how other dudes talk to girls, how the "fun/gay" whatever dude in the bar is acting around people, how the people who are acting weirdly are acting, how people who are normal are acting...take it all in. it helps

i don't understand dance floor game...but i think i understand it a bit more from observing what some people were doing...again all i know is ballroom dancing and i prefer to do it...but i figured out some cool shit just watching people and just doing what i think would work for me

a lot of times you'll notice that girls signal to you what they expect for you to do and say...it's a matter of being focused on the situation

I agree with this, when I was trying to improve that area in my life (social skills) I would enjoy observing others, and I still do today. It's fun and is somewhat a part of seduction (placing yourself in other peoples shoes while observing) but in order to take your game a step further it is essential to get out of your comfort zone. You can't spend all day observing, yeah take some notes, then put them into action, re-evaluate to your persona.

I like observing actors but it is key to take their persona and evolve it into your own if you want it to look natural.

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Wouldnt this make you look like the weird guy staring at everyone?

I usually am too occupied on actually having fun with my friends or whoever Im with than to just watch everyone else. Create your own world and it draws girls to it, rather than observing theirs and getting pulled into theirs.

As far as observing, tt only takes about 3 seconds to look at someone, see what theyre wearing, some of their mannerisms, then bam. go approach.

Watching and observing just puts you into observer mode rather than being in the moment...

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Isnt this the way one of the posters in here gets 800 women !!

Guy's it's only creepy if you are in fact a "creep" Being observant is important for all aspects of life, not just pick up. Truly intuitive people are ultra observant.

Observation in pick up is a great way to learn about people ( especially women). I am not saying to stare at them with crazy eyes. lol Good observers are rarely ever noticed observing. The better you become at it and the more commonalities you observe, and the better you can interpret certain actions correctly and get a true read. The more you do it, the better you get.

Through observation you can see so many things that can help your seduction. Lets say you are watching a girl, you see 3 different men approach, these men are not that different physically.

The first guy approaches and seems loose and friendly, they talk for a couple minutes, she is laughing( it appears to be going well), then he tries to brush her hair away from her face. She immediately turtles in a defensive posture.( the convo goes dry, he walks away)

Second guy, approaches and try's to start dancing with her, she turns away and goes to her group of friends for security. ( doesn't even talk to the guy).

Third guy, approaches but she does not see him so he gently taps her on the shoulder, she looks back at him then turns back to her friends. ( he walks away)

Ok so lets say you observed this over a period of 15 minutes. What did you learn?

1) Don't approach her when her back is turned to you
2) Don't approach her trying to dance.
3) Approach loose and friendly, but do not try to touch her hair or face especially within a couple of minutes no matter how well the convo is going.

This is just a quick examples of the benefits of observation. I could give a million

The OP of this thread really knows how the game works and understand the better prepared you are, the better your chances.

The more observant you can become, the better off your life will be. I am not just talking pick up, everything. Body language is mostly unconscious and therefor a true reaction. The better you can interpret it, the more you will know the truth. People lie all the time, be it to spare peoples feelings, or to spare their own embarrassment, whatever the reason, the mind may lie, but the body never does.

I strongly advise any potential PUA to work on your skills of observation, it is CRUCIAL for becoming a successful pick up artist.

Good post OP!

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Definition of OBSERVABLE
1
: noteworthy
2
: capable of being observed : discernible

vs

Definition of OBSERVATION
1
a : an act or instance of observing a custom, rule, or law b : observance 3
2
a : an act of recognizing and noting a fact or occurrence often involving measurement with instruments

^This is a reference for a certain member of the forum who doesn't know the difference.

So...some of you guys don't have an offswitch? When I'm playing Skyrim, I'm not thinking how this relates to pickup. When I'm watching a movie, I'm not worried my film choice isn't "alpha." And when I'm at the bar with friends I am trying to have a good time. Some things are innate, sure, but hell If you are so busy focused everywhere else it doesn't sound much like winning.

@ OP, I understand what you're saying. There is a lot to LEARN from that process. But after you've learned these things, it's time to act upon what you've learned. "Observation" does not equal game.

If you're a newbie, you already know what you do in clubs. If you've been doing this for a while, you know what you were doing as a newbie:

You grab a drink and go round and round the club, eyeballing chicks. Then you stare at guys picking up chicks. Then you comment to other guys about other chicks and other guys who pick up chicks. It has been suggested by a newbie member of the forum that there is a 'non' creepy way to do this. How? By not STARING very hard? By "being alpha"? By "Being Cool" instead of "not cool"? Stare very softly then? Use the corner of your eyes? (All of this is what every newbie on the planet does)

^This is bad. There is no "non-creepy" way to do this. This is an oxymoron. This is about as retarded as saying that there is a non-criminal way to strangle a guy to death.

Breaking Bad is correct. A few seconds is all it takes. You're looking at a girl . . . at a CLUB. You're not trying to analyze a new computer hardware.

In Night Clubs, as it is in almost every facet of life, it's the low level workers (desperate) that do the footwork; The door to door salesman. The store clerk, etc . . what are the daily movements of executives? Think of all the high value people in the World. . .what do they do when they go to clubs? They park their asses in the VIP lounge and hang out with other High Value people and that's it. Where do you think the hottest girls are hanging out?

An idea to consider:

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When you're at a bar with friends who like to chat up with girls, you tell them, "Hey, let me go bring those girls over here." If you're hanging with guys who won't chat with girls, you just have fun with them. It's not an on-off, it's just you do what's fun for you and your friends.

True, but once you've done the observing when you are a 'newbie' dont keep doing it all the time. Practise and internalise the concepts.
Is to question on the table to get better AT observing or better BY observing? If you spend most of your time observing then when the hell are you going to practise? You dont learn how to play football by getting good at observing. You get good at the game by observing first but then spending more and more time playing and practicing the techniques.
Everything is hypothetical for this poster.

Ever thought of going and asking the girl why are those guys getting blown out? How would you know unless you find out? I did this on the dance floor after seeing 2 guys get blown out - And yes got a good dry hump, we exchanged numbers and ended up going back to the club the following wkend - want more details....?


Seriously Man !
And the cliches continue !

So throw in a bunch of cliches and tell people they could become successful - Sounds familiar, every scam artist in history has done that on TV.

Observing is cool and all, but I believe that your brain needs proofs, not promises. There are a lot of free videos online of infield pick up by people. You see them succeeding and you tell your brain that it is possible. But, even though you tell your brain that it is okay to talk to a random stranger, it will still give you anxiety, specially if you are a beginner. Once you've approached enough girls and provided your brain with evidence, then your brain will give you that belief and confidence that it is do able. Gathering experiences and evidence is the best way to get better at pick up!

For example, the first time you jump off a 10 feet tall diving board into a pool is at first scary. But, once you do enough, and provide your brain enough evidence that you won't die, then your hesitation to jump off is reduced or completely removed.

Great stuff guys,

Sincerely,

Donston

Well that's because he is a con.

Said the blind man to the deaf man.


Open your eyes kid, hating isn't going to help you any.


Wise men listen.

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I'd believe you if 90% of your posts weren't quotes, cliches, addages, and various other terms for things said by OTHER PEOPLE.

I could care less if you believe me or not....If 90% of what I am saying is already out there, then great, it means its true. Whether you think I am copy and pasting it is your choice. But don't be so quick to judge. Calling me a con, is an ignorant comment. A con artist is by definition some who lies and cheats people out of money. Have you given me any money? WTF am i gaining out of this? what's worth the effort. To have idiots insult me for trying to help? Anything I say that is different is ridiculed, and anything I say that is similar I get accused of stealing it. LOL

I never once asked you to read my advice or my posts. If you think I am so full of shit, then don't read.

I haven't read any of these book. If anyone is quoting and copy and pasting it's all the rest. Do you honestly think you are all worth me spending hours and hours researching material just to try to claim it as my own words. C'mon dude, give your head a fucking shake.

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