Back to college and the pickings are nothing but slim. In my pyschology class yesterday i encountered this gorgeous brunette with glasses, sophisticated and well, she's 21 . Lots of pluses. I first saw her from across the class and i was captivated. Its the first week and we did introductions and what not. I introduced myself well and i think i came off as funny and intelligent - my best 2 redeemable traits. She seemed organized and mature. After class i asked if she'd be my note buddy(exchange notes if one of us is absent)and i threw "study buddy" in there too to test the waters. She oblidged to give me her number and email. I was cool and collected like i usually am when opening/closing.

So here is where i stand, she gave me her number, nobody else. IOI. I gave her a little bit of game but i think i messed up in getting too caught in her age and ability to buy alchohol. I think im supposed to just act like a study buddy at first, get to know her before anything else. I wanna call her but at the same time i usually screw my mid game up. Granted its better to have "loved and lost than to never have loved at all", however im straight up scared to make the call and when it comes to us meeting im too nervous. I hate screwing up my mid game and im looking for some pointers. Perhaps conversation wise, being a little bit flirtatious without overdoing it and being a little bit serious but not boring. I am horrible at finding the middle ground. Im either hella excited or hella mellow, too happy or too insecure.

Anyways, i think i want to call her tomorrow and ask if she wants to meet for coffee over the weekend and "talk psych". "i wanna get to know you if we're gonna be study buddys". I was thinking of prepping myself on this weeks syllabus beforehand so i can guide our session so to speak and not have to think much about it. I'm thinking coffee in the late afternoon. Is it bad per se to try to meet up so soon? Being rejected once, i might not be as opt to ask again o.o

Negs/worries: i ride a bike - can be seen as a bad thing. can barely afford to buy her coffee and im not the best at carrying a conversation. her looks are so intimidating - hopefully her brain(which i have yet to get to know) draws my attention away from her rocking body hehe. I cant bring her back to my place to hang out because it's my aunts place and she says "no friends"

neutral: i have plenty of cigarettes, if she smokes its cool, if not im a bit of a self destructive bad boy. im fine with either, or. i have starbucks gift cards which i cant imagine being a bad thing.

positives:the ball is already rolling. i just need to push it along and i have you guys to tell me how much pressure to apply. until next wednesday, its unlikely she'll make any other study buddy's for this class. i saw other guys pissed that me, the alpha, got to her first and im sure they'll introduce themselves wednesday so i better get ahead of the rest of the game right? I have that good old kung fu physique and i dont look half bad...

tl;dr - do i take a study buddy out to coffee just days after meeting her? do i draw attention (peackock) to my current lack of funds and social status or do i direct her attention away from it? Do i talk more about her or more about me? Do I open up so as to allow each other to evaluate psyches? Do i act more friendly or more flirty? Do i stop worrying so much and try not to develope oneitis? (lol just added that after reading everything - i really am worrying too much, hopefully u guys can help with this) And lastly do i try to plan everything or try to stay in the moment and go with the flow? Its in my nature to try to organize it all[hence why im here]... thanks for reading this far

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I would slow it down personally, she is going to be in your class the whole year, no need to rush it. I would make more jokes, flirt more in class, actually have some quality conversations, get her comfortable, then go for the date. On the question tip you need to relax way too many questions just feel each other out see what she is about and let her know what your about.

I think your biggest issue for yourself is rushing things. I tell dudes all the time the number one way to get your chances shoot is by rushing things and not getting her comfortable first. Bro you have a huge advantage right now she will be in your class for the next 4 months.

ye it'd be a date but it wouldnt be like that. im pretending to be friends at this point, hoping to god i dont get friend zoned lol. im pretty sure its clear what im after though. and i dont want some other alpha comin around and stealing my chances. and its not like i can get to know her during class, i believe that'd be disrupting the professor

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Don't ask her out to "talk psych." She is 21, in college, and very attractive. She has a ton of options as far as social events go and "talking psych" is not particularly attractive. True if she were very attracted to you then she'd go out with you just to see where it went, but if you had a more attractive offer then she would accept under that condition and also if she is not yet attracted to you.

Relax, develop a strong social life, and flirt with her. Don't force yourself into the friend zone and take advantage of the fact that you get to spend alot of time around her without conveying too much interest.

Bottom line:
1. If you have a strong social life then you will have offers that you can extend to her. Texting or talking to her about a party you are going to is much better then asking her out to coffee (in addition to being more a more attractive offer its much more laid back).
2. You have her number and share a class with her which means you have the opportunity to build attraction.

Leverage those two and that should go a long way.

Just my opinion.

^ even thought its your first post, you're right i suppose, "talking psych" isnt very attractive per se, however its too late to worry about that. i already asked her and we are gonna grab some coffee. my social life has withered away since i moved in with my aunt and i doubt ill find any parties. im not gonna try to close or anything tomorrow, just build rapport. she didnt seem like the slutty type anyways - i think she saw me and a couple of guys checking out her body and instead of soaking up the attention, she threw on a jacket. if i get the chance i will kiss her but im not in any rush. maybe in a couple of weeks when we are studying for exams ill be more pursuant.

im already regretting asking her out for tomorrow. we dont even have homework this week, idk wtf i was thinking

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A girl will know within two minutes (give or take) of interaction whether she wants to give you a chance. The longer you delay taking the chance the smaller her desire to continue on that path with you will become. If she says no after two minutes, she will certainly say no after 5 hours (unless you completely change your behaviour or (sometimes) if you are *extremely* persistent while remaining confident).

By "chance" I am referring to pursuing a path that clearly communicates mutual romantic interest (a one-on-one encounter of any sort without making it sound faggoty by "talking psych").

I think thereafter a girl will know within about 60 minutes (the higher her self esteem is is the less time it will take generally) whether she will sleep with you, but most are conditioned socially in such a way they need you to show commitment through more time. But that's just a formality and the decision has been made. Don't delay!

I think that the very psych class you are taking will within a couple of weeks teach you that you are way over-analyzing this girl. Sure, she's hot. But how many more hot chicks just like her are there on campus. And they'd love to give you their numbers. You've been too caught up on this one to ask.

That said, the quote above is right. Texting is key right now. Even better, you should send a text that is kind of mysterious to her on accident. Like "I'll be there in 20 minutes. Geez, you're more needy than my 9 week old kitten."

She will probably respond "What?" Then you just say, "sorry, wrong person. Guess the secrets out that I have plans tonight. What are you up to?"

Bounce a couple of texts back and forth, and then say something like "You know, I feel like a semi-ass. We should probably do something to clear our heads of the stuff from class for a bit. Let's.." and suggest something fun. Figure out what events are happening on campus ( usually free ) or organize a game night.

Our book talks about social proof as well. What I mean is that you should bust ass to get to class before she does and always be talking to another girl. When you see your trophy come through the door, give her a nod and smile, talk to the other person a bit more, and then go over to your real target. If she asks who the girl was, just shrug and say "just a girl. She liked my backpack."

Make shit up and have fun. Just remember you that you're young and there is still plenty of fun to have in college.

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hmmm well she's currently in the middle of flaking on me. im not sure if i should let her off the hook or keep giving her a hard time. trying to figure out what to say in order to get her to not do this again. thinking about just not responding at all and texting back tomorrow, "sorry something came up"

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i forgot to add in a good routine that i use in my openers(and on her after i got her number) that generally builds a little bit of sexual frame.

after i asked for her number i said "i forgot to mention im hairypua btw" she reciprocated and we shook hands. if she shakes your hand with just her finger tips and not her palm i like to add in "you know in the olden days, when a girl shook your hand like that, it meant she wanted you to kiss her hand... and while i wouldnt mind kissing your hand, it would make things a little awkward". she would say "oh is that right?". "yeah so i think you owe me a proper handshake.

not only does it build sexual tension but it gets her climbing the rings on the compliance ladder(principles i just learned from chief's guide to outer game)

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So we met for coffee today and studyed. I think it went rather well. Theres a bit i can relate to her on. There was a few times when i wasnt sure what to say - ex: She told me she's a model. I couldnt think of a neg and i'm sure if my jaw dropped that wouldnt exactly be a dhv. So i just bullshitted and said ima model too, cant you tell? I made her laugh alot but i dont think i put enough effort towards studying while she was sitting there writing alot. We played chess and i was trying to let her win by throwing away tons of pawns, but somehow i accidentally checkmated her early. i thought it'd just be a check. I really wanted to let her win but aw well. On a positive note, i told her last night that i find intelligent girls to be extremely attractive. Today i found she was actually trying to prove to me that she's rather smart. Huge ioi which really boosted my confidence. And 1 thing, she wouldn't let me buy her coffee =/. She tryed to dhv me several times, and if it were a test which it sorta is, i woulda passed. I played it cool and ended it with a hug. I've been playfully teasing and negging her via text ever since and i think all this pua crap is actually working. I changed my mind, she's a 10, not a 9 and i love it! Cant wait to see what i can pull off in class with her wednesday.

My only worry now is that i lack a job and i think i can easily get a date with her soon but i can't afford to take her out to eat.

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From what I've seen the "study buddy" thing will have her glued to your hip. Well with the right encouragement.

Try to whoop ass in the class. If she sees you doing well it would be a DHV. She will want to keep you around so a little of your good grades rub off on her.

I like to whip up some flash cards from the vocabulary in the book. They can actually be a pretty fun game. Give her shit for every miss. Maybe with the occasional, "so close, but... it's more like blah blah." Also a good chance for eye contact. Best part it actually helps both of you study for the class. Kill two birds with one stone.

If she fails and drops out then that would be highly counter productive.

Did you put a time frame on your "study buddy" relationship? I dropped a "for this semester" on the end of mine. That may be AFC but she seemed to like the idea. OR would it be alpha to assume she would enjoy my company for the four months? I'm new to this thing myself. I'd like to see where this goes for you.

I'm going to steal your handshake routine as well. I will definitely have to do that next time a girl offers her hand like she's some kind of princess. It used to come off as weak to me. Now it's an opportunity. Thanks man.

Maybe even throw a "I don't know where that thing has been" on it.

There's something i just realized while laying in bed, thinking about the coffee date i shared with her and i need to add something to my hand shaking line routine, and i think its huge. I just remembered that when i met up with her to get the coffee, i shook her hand and she gave me her fingers again! For those of you who dont realize the significance of this let me explain. I told her beforehand that if you shake with your fingers, you are expecting a kiss to the hand. Knowing that she still shook my hand like so, i forgot all about it because i was nervous. I'm supposed to maybe go to the library with her tomorrow and if she gives me her hand like that again im gonna take the opportunity and kiss it. My game is improving every day

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Can somebody ban this guy for spamming that link all across the forums?

I went to the library with this girl today. She was 5 minutes late, all good with me. I shook her hand and again the finger tips! So i kissed her hand and gave her a hug, it was maybe a little over the top but its all good. I checked out her favorite book and gave her my favorite to read. We shot the shit for maybe an hour while getting no reading done. I flirted - drew a smiley face on her inner thigh through a hole in her jeans, and then began stimulating her hand with the pen, asking her to guess what i was tracing. She actually did rather well and i noticed she was getting flustered so I asked if she'd accompany me outside while i smoked a cigarette and she did. We sat outside and i lit one. We talked about her tattoo and she told me how she was cold. And so i told her turn around and ill warm u up. "how?", "just turn around, trust me", and she did and i began giving her a massage. She didnt care for having her shoulders touched but again it was cool, it was all escalation during that whole time. We went inside and she told me how she used to read in the aisles when she was little. SHE WAS TRYING TO GET ME ALONE. Anyway i suggested we make like old times sake and go somewhere we could be loud. We sat down and began reading. I took a line from deja's[or something like that] pickup lines thread and told her i had a suprise for her and asked if she'd remind me when she finished her chapter. She reminded me and i told her to close her eyes and put out her hands. She closed her eyes, i took her hand and went in for the kiss. She opened her eyes as i got to about 2-3 inches away from her face and she gave me her cheek. I probably should have waited longer. I had only just met her a week ago and i dont blame her. I took a step back and talked with her some more. We played some games for another hour and then she had to leave. I walked her to her car and she offered to give me a ride to where my bike was, i accepted and hopped in. As she arrived to the bike rack we said our fare wells and as she tried to give me a hug i gave her a kiss on the cheek. I think it went well over all. I like this girl and i'll get to see her in class tomorrow.

I read elsewhere that you should get to class early and be chatting/flirting with another girl when the girl that you want walks in. I'm not so sure if i wanna make this particular girl jealous and risk losing her. Do you think the outcome would be positive. What i do know of women is that there has to be trust. Also the frame of our relationship is already good, im not sure if i need to be developing it still.

I forgot to mention earlier that i saw on facebook that she has a bf. The fact that she hasnt told me yet is a huge ioi and i think my chances are good.

I'm thinking this thread should be moved from mid game to day 2's/closing because it'd be more fitting there. Also i'd like some more advice on this girl and i think i'd get advice more appropriate to my situation in that section of the forum. If you could move it for me, it'd be much appreciated.

edit#2: i think i just dlv'ed a little bit via text. she was pushing me away a little or maybe giving me a little bit of a test and i was so entranced by her beauty and how our day went that i didnt think before i answered. she invited me to come meet her dog tomorrow and i said sure i'd go. i told her i had some things to do before hand and i'd be by at around 1. she said i didnt have to come by just to see the dog.

correct answer 1: i didnt wanna just see the dog, i wanted to see u
correct answer 2: yeah you're right i can see em another day, im pretty busy anyways.
my answer: i havent spent any quality time with a dog since my dog died and i really want to. plus i'd like to see my favorite study buddy again

she hasnt responded =/ im thinking about just cancelling on her tomorrow and asking to see her dog another day. im really am gonna be busy tomorrow and i dont wanna display my higher value

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I could see her not responding to that text as her bf being around. Though it's not saying much if she's already your favorite study buddy, seems like an easy title to earn.

Did you end up seeing the dogs today?