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PostPosted: Sun Jan 15, 2012 10:02 pm 
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I invited this one chick to come over to my place alone to fuck and whatnot. I wasn't direct about "Hey let's fuck" it was just the underlying seduction thing that no one was talking about. So I get my swag together and whatnot and when she knocked on my door, she came with two other guys who happened to be my friends. They were uninvited, she didn't even notify me beforehand. Now at first I thought that that was extremely rude of her to do, what a dumb girl. But I was like fuck it, I'll take all three of em and while I'm at it I'll subtly seduce her under the radar. I ended up getting away with her from the other two guys and fucking her. The next day I spoke to a bunch of people of what just happened and they all thought it was very rude of her to do that and that they personally wouldn't talk to the girl anymore.

But I arrived at a different conclusion. I realized I just don't give much of a fuck about anything. Like I just don't feel violated or disrespected anymore, I don't know what's been going on. If someone calls me a faggot, me being the muscular guy that I am won't do shit about it. And by not doing anything means being 100% emotionless. No smiling, no talking, nothing but a poker face. One time I was in a conversation and some guy called me a dumbass. I didn't even look at him, I kept going on about my own shit. Then another guy turned to me and said, "Dude that guy called you a dumbass." I even didn't look at that guy either and kept going on about it. Everyone in the conversation including the girls were just looking at me as if, "Damn this guy must have ADD or something. It's weird because in the past I was the total opposite. I'd be like, "Just give me time & location bitch, I fuck you up."

Another time I was alone with a girl who had a bf. She told me, "I feel like such a slut now" since I'm more of a boytoy. I just ignored it then slipped my hand into her panties and started rubbing saying, "..You like that you little slut?" Surprisingly she got even more into it, it's as if her ASD went out the window. I was just sitting there thinking "What the fuck just happened.."

On other occasions the girl would say to me, "I don't want to do anything else, I just want to be friends." I said, "I'm too horny for that, you got the wrong guy" and back turn. As I took a few steps away from her, she started talking again and I began to smirk from the front knowing that she doesn't want the cock to be walking away from her. This seduction thing is so weird at times. Most of the time we go at it saying that we gotta stick it out, we gotta make it work as opposed to just not giving a fuck and walking away to the next girl, even if the next girl happens to be just a few feet away from the previous one who was being lame.

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 15, 2012 10:22 pm 
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Simply put, the less invested you are, the more 'in-demand' you'll appear (real or not).

Think of it this way. Say you go into Mercedes and the salesguy tries so hard to sell you hard on the car, to the point where the following days he's blowing your phone up telling you others are considering on buying the car that day, and that he had to call you to tell you it also has this option and that option etc..etc.. blah blah blah - pretty soon you're thinking "Ok, what the fucks wrong with this car he's trying to sell me? Maybe it's a lemon and he knows it, but obviously wont tell me as it'd severely devalue the car".

Now, same car, but different salesguy is cool as shit, and let's the car do the speaking for itself; prospective buyer kicks the tires, checks out the functionality on the stereo, give it a whirl is impressed with the ride - he's discovering the car for himself and isn't being upsold on a bunch of shitty options that mean nothing to him anyway.

Which salesguy do you think is more likely to make the sale?



People want a challenge, they want to feel whatever it is they are pursuing is in demand - this is inherent within EVERY human being. If something provides no resistance, or comes too easy, we tend to value it far less and ultimately lose interest in it. This is funmdamental to the pickup community; demonstrate value in some form or other and get the person invested, offer them something good BUT also hint at the possibility of losing that something good (give them only glimpses of what they want).


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PostPosted: Mon Jan 16, 2012 2:39 pm 
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People want a challenge, they want to feel whatever it is they are pursuing is in demand - this is inherent within EVERY human being. If something provides no resistance, or comes too easy, we tend to value it far less and ultimately lose interest in it. This is funmdamental to the pickup community; demonstrate value in some form or other and get the person invested, offer them something good BUT also hint at the possibility of losing that something good (give them only glimpses of what they want).
I think you have really summed it up there and this is what its all about. A girl who may not even have fancied you that much in the first place can start to become curious and interested purely by getting that feeling you are unobtainable.

Great example is the 'Artic Monkeys' (band in the UK). A few years back they came out of nowhere and were different as they didnt publicise themselves much. Only publicity you heard was that their gigs were sold out. THEN all of a sudden EVERYONE wanted tickets to their giggs and it became national news. Most people hardly knew that much about them... just that 'unobtainable' thing alone is very powerful.

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 16, 2012 5:58 pm 
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not giving a fuck is somewhat the same as beiing secure.

yet different. being secure is knowing you got game and women will want you.

not giving a fuck is more "maybe I do maybe I dont, but I dont care if she dont want me, shes just a ho anyway"

Not giving a fuck can be false courage sometimes.


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Now at first I thought that that was extremely rude of her to do, what a dumb girl. But I was like fuck it, I'll take all three of em and while I'm at it I'll subtly seduce her under the radar.

One time I was in a conversation and some guy called me a dumbass. I didn't even look at him, I kept going on about my own shit. Then another guy turned to me and said, "Dude that guy called you a dumbass." I even didn't look at that guy either and kept going on about it.

She told me, "I feel like such a slut now" since I'm more of a boytoy. I just ignored it then slipped my hand into her panties and started rubbing saying, "..You like that you little slut?"

On other occasions the girl would say to me, "I don't want to do anything else, I just want to be friends." I said, "I'm too horny for that, you got the wrong guy" and back turn.
I'm looking at these scenarios, and I noticed one thing in common. In all of them, you stay on your intended track. You fuck that girl in the first story because you intended to fuck her. You don't get sidetracked into a petty fight in the second story, you stay on your task of talking to women, not random pricks. You don't bother going into "oh shit ASD!!" mode in the third story, you just keep on your goal. In the last one, you know you want to get laid, not chat with a girl for hours.

I'm taking from this that I need to have my final goal in mind. As long as my intentions are clear and I keep on them, the distractions become secondary, or even not a factor at all. Good post.


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PostPosted: Tue Jan 17, 2012 12:51 pm 
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Simply put, the less invested you are, the more 'in-demand' you'll appear (real or not).

Think of it this way. Say you go into Mercedes and the salesguy tries so hard to sell you hard on the car, to the point where the following days he's blowing your phone up telling you others are considering on buying the car that day, and that he had to call you to tell you it also has this option and that option etc..etc.. blah blah blah - pretty soon you're thinking "Ok, what the fucks wrong with this car he's trying to sell me? Maybe it's a lemon and he knows it, but obviously wont tell me as it'd severely devalue the car".

Now, same car, but different salesguy is cool as shit, and let's the car do the speaking for itself; prospective buyer kicks the tires, checks out the functionality on the stereo, give it a whirl is impressed with the ride - he's discovering the car for himself and isn't being upsold on a bunch of shitty options that mean nothing to him anyway.

Which salesguy do you think is more likely to make the sale?



People want a challenge, they want to feel whatever it is they are pursuing is in demand - this is inherent within EVERY human being. If something provides no resistance, or comes too easy, we tend to value it far less and ultimately lose interest in it. This is funmdamental to the pickup community; demonstrate value in some form or other and get the person invested, offer them something good BUT also hint at the possibility of losing that something good (give them only glimpses of what they want).
It's not exactly the less you care the more you are in demand. It's true but not exactly true. If you don't care at all about her, she will feel it and may be yes you will have great sex, but you will never be able to be in relationship with a woman that cares about herself. Better if you care always slightly less then she cares about you.
Second, seduction is game. If you gonna win all the time, and she loose all the time, she will loose interest. It's like if casino always won, nobody would play there and casino didn't make money.
But in general yes, you need to make her feel as if she is seducing you. You can do that by saying something like "girls only want one thing, it's to get in my pants. They buy me drinks just to get me. I'm tired of this." It sounds funny but it works, it makes her think that she wants to get you.


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Simply put, the less invested you are, the more 'in-demand' you'll appear (real or not).

Think of it this way. Say you go into Mercedes and the salesguy tries so hard to sell you hard on the car, to the point where the following days he's blowing your phone up telling you others are considering on buying the car that day, and that he had to call you to tell you it also has this option and that option etc..etc.. blah blah blah - pretty soon you're thinking "Ok, what the fucks wrong with this car he's trying to sell me? Maybe it's a lemon and he knows it, but obviously wont tell me as it'd severely devalue the car".

Now, same car, but different salesguy is cool as shit, and let's the car do the speaking for itself; prospective buyer kicks the tires, checks out the functionality on the stereo, give it a whirl is impressed with the ride - he's discovering the car for himself and isn't being upsold on a bunch of shitty options that mean nothing to him anyway.

Which salesguy do you think is more likely to make the sale?



People want a challenge, they want to feel whatever it is they are pursuing is in demand - this is inherent within EVERY human being. If something provides no resistance, or comes too easy, we tend to value it far less and ultimately lose interest in it. This is funmdamental to the pickup community; demonstrate value in some form or other and get the person invested, offer them something good BUT also hint at the possibility of losing that something good (give them only glimpses of what they want).
It's not exactly the less you care the more you are in demand. It's true but not exactly true. If you don't care at all about her, she will feel it and may be yes you will have great sex, but you will never be able to be in relationship with a woman that cares about herself. Better if you care always slightly less then she cares about you.
Second, seduction is game. If you gonna win all the time, and she loose all the time, she will loose interest. It's like if casino always won, nobody would play there and casino didn't make money.
But in general yes, you need to make her feel as if she is seducing you. You can do that by saying something like "girls only want one thing, it's to get in my pants. They buy me drinks just to get me. I'm tired of this." It sounds funny but it works, it makes her think that she wants to get you.
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Awesome post!
You make some very good points about not giving a fuck.


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Some of the most successful ladies men I know have mastered the ability to not give a fuck. Come to think of it, most of them were BORN with that ability. But yeah, it seems as though when you don't give a fuck, girls will try endlessly to make you give a fuck, which you can definitely use to your advantage. It only works, of course, if you're physically, socially, and/or financially attractive to women: if you're not you'll just look like an ass.

After reading your post it sounds like you're doing pretty well, though.


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PostPosted: Tue Jan 17, 2012 11:14 pm 
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I have noticed the same thing. The most successful guys just don't give a fuck.
I've done the "back turn" in bed on some hot girls and it really does work.

In some situations you just have to be completely emotionless.


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PostPosted: Wed Jan 18, 2012 1:07 am 
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The reason me and my wing have improved in field is because of our attitude of not caring about what people think.

Another pointer, if you make a girl believe that a certain behavior is okay, not wrong or normal then she will start believing it.

Confidence is key.

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