Gents,

Had a day 2 with a HB9 and things were going really well. At first she was a little nervous but after a few drinks at the bar we were flirting/touching ect. and she seemed super into me. The owner of the bar even came up to me and said "things are looking good for you". Towards the end of the night now (after an hour of 2 of the flirting/touching and enjoying each other’s company) people are leaving and its just us and a few locals in which shes knows (they went to h.s. together but were not potential threats..) at the bar. It was getting late so I told her I was going to leave soon and she was like ok cool im going to stay and chat w my friends. Which was fine but here is where it gets interesting...

I go in and try and kiss her after saying "on a scale of 1-10 how good of a kisser are you" and she was like "10" so I said "really? ok well lets find out.." and went in for the kiss...and she was like "umm i dont do that". This really threw me for a loop bc all night we were talking about giving me a BJ and she told me she had her clit pierced...ect... and now she wont kiss me? All the ingredients were there...more than enough IOIs... and i asked her again and she was like ya i dont do that...

So I ended up leaving and sent her a text "get home safe and was good 2 c ya". No response. Id really like to see this girl again tonight bc its one of my last days I could for awhile. Any ideas to kiss close this1? Or is she just playing the player at this point??? This girl is a freak and I have framed her sexually but on a day 2 still no kiss close... she just playing hard to get?

ANY COMMENTS WOULD BE GREATLY APPRECIATED.

Thanks,
Duke

Hrmmm...
You did seem to get enough IOI's.
I am guessing that she felt embarrassed to kiss in front of people she knew. Next time try and get her isolated.

Also.

NEVER! Send the first text saying it was good to see her. It just lowers your value. The fact that she did not reply only lowers your value even more.

yes it totally did... i agree. was an afc text but i was drunk and wanted to c what shed say... obv she had some LMR with the kiss close. suggestions to break this1 down?

Thanks again for the comments!

Duke

Yeah, being out in the public may have played a factor.

She said she was a 10 in the kissing factor? When she turned you down, you shoulda said, "That's ok. You're probably giving yourself too much credit in the kissing department anyway "

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I would suggest another meeting where she will be without her friends or anybody she knows.
That way if she agrees you know she wants to escalate things since she knows that you want to kiss her and do more to her.

Good luck with the progress!

My opinion is yes she was shy with friends around but u shoulda kiss closed an hour ago. I've found when you get 3 ioi's within a minute, thats a good time to make your move. Could also be she gave u those ioi's when she was drunk and she was coming down when you tryed to close and the coming down coulda affected it. Talking about bjs and her clit is the perfect time to isolate, idk what u were doing lmao. u were prolly a little too scared to stand up with a hard cock, loljk

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My opinion is yes she was shy with friends around but u shoulda kiss closed an hour ago. I've found when you get 3 ioi's within a minute, thats a good time to make your move. Could also be she gave u those ioi's when she was drunk and she was coming down when you tryed to close and the coming down coulda affected it. Talking about bjs and her clit is the perfect time to isolate, idk what u were doing lmao. u were prolly a little too scared to stand up with a hard cock, loljk

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How many times have you been to this bar? How often did you leave her side to use the restroom? Did you meet the friends at all, or did you sit by yourself while she talked to the others?

I agree with everyone here about what you could have done differently. However, I think we're missing a key ingredient that you may have realized yet.

If you were to place yourself in her shoes, what would you look and sound like? Were you alpha or AFC? Did you fit into the environment at that time, or were you out of control peacocking? We have an example in our book where in my early days, I went overboard at a gangster hole in the wall bar. Aside from almost becoming target practice for the local hooligans, I failed because I didn't have the proper look. Once people had cleared out and it was just a few of you left, and now that she had maybe sobered up, I'm curious what she saw.

With local dives like this one, it's not a bad idea to befriend the bartender/owner and tip them well. They know these regulars better than anyone, and can give you insight an entire PUA forum would miss. Use your resources.

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Thanks for the reply.

In answering your questions i was definitly the alpha... everyone in the bar new it as well (the bar tender told me i was looking good and that things were going well...i took that as a sign that this girl was super into me... which was obv to me and everyone else...)

Also, i was not overly dressed or not... it was my frist time at the place but she was dressed up... nice shit and skinny jeans... and i had a polo and jeans on... nothing out of the ordinary. So im going to assume that that didnt kill the situation.

The friends were afc imo.... they were all sitting together drinking and just chillin out... no girls around them...not attractive guys.... ect. The one friend of hers did come over and say hi (he memtioned he had a GF and made it obv he was no threat) and he even said that we looked like boyfriend and girlfriend... twice.

so i think i did more then fine... i havnt contacted her in over a week and she hasnt texted me either...

whats the next play? thx.

Duke

Thanks for the post!

I def. agree i should isoed her and kiss closed when the iois were happening... but the night was going so well i just figured it would be an EASE to kiss close her GN...

so whats my play from here? havnt called or texted her in over a week... and she hasnt contacted me either.

Thanks,
Duke

The play is to move on. She isn't interested, and it isn't worth wasting your time with her. To invite her out again would just show neediness.

i had a girl a little while back that i f closed but when i went to kiss her she pulled away instantly, she was keen for everything but kissing. i never found out why she was so against it ( as far as i know my breath didn't stink.lol ) but maybe it's the same situation here. if you want something to break the tension with her theres a thread above this one called "a text to get her heart racing" try sending that or something like that to her. if you hang out with her again maybe try going heavy kino and see how that goes. good luck mate

tried that text and she didnt respond lol.... any other advice now @ this point?

thx duke

I'll reiterate. She isn't interested. Accept it, move on to the next girl.

there is 6.989 billion people in our world . Over half are women . Take this as a learning experience and move on bro , you'll find that theres some really cool women out there who arn't half as odd as this girl .


I agree with the "dont text her to see if she got home safe" bit of this thread as well .

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