I would like experienced guys to read this and share their opinion. Women can join too, of course.

I got into pickup shortly after my 19th birthdays. I had slept with 3 women by then, I wasn't very sure what made them sleep with me and I considered myself lucky. I lasted in bed quite long, but didn't know anything else but fingering, missionary and doggy style. I had two relationships, both lasted at least a couple of months, both ended when the girls dumped me. Apart from my dry spells, I had no other frustrations. I believed women are amazing creatures who deserve love and only love.

Today, a couple of days before turning 21, I have 23 women on my scorecard. I have learned women are just creatures. I moved from adoring women to having strong contempt for most of them in less than two years. During the process, I never thought I could ever feel like this. But now I do. And this feeling grows on me with every next woman I get to sleep with.


I've been chasing women like a madman for the last 20 months. I had some women cheating on their bf's with me, even under extreme circumstances (She fucks me on toilet while her bf is standing at the bar). Some of them were talking about how they like their long lasting relationships not long before they wrapped their lips around my dick. They apparently also enjoyed the "We shouldn't do this, I've got a boyfriend" attitude as a form of foreplay every next time we met.

I found out it's easy to pick up a chick, the more insecure she is the easier. Just attack her weak spots, be funny, aloof, show her you've got options and voila! Another lay. The less you respect her the more she is willing to do in bed to regain your respect and attention. You're like a drug and she can't resist it. Once you understand this, it's not difficult to enjoy deepthroats, anal and basically anything you like with almost every single girl.

It was all a great fun. Constant adventure, ego boosting, sex stories, funny stories, a lot of things to remember. But hunting chicks with one month fuckbuddy lifetime is also pretty mentally exhausting, at least for me. I needed a break, so I have chosen the one who was the most compatible and morally clean and got into a relationship with her to have a break.....


.....then it all dawned on me. I have realized I've done a lot of crazy shit and I've done a lot of it with HER. I started seeing patterns, the dots were connecting and offered me a pretty disgusting picture in my mind:

"If I can do this, the other guys with game also can"

then

"IF IT WORKED ON HER FROM ME, IT WILL WORK FROM THE OTHER GUYS TOO!"

and I started to see it all in very different perspective. All the funny things felt great because I was doing them on the other guys' accounts. But now it's on my account and guess what, it sucks. And it sucks even more when you see all the crazy stuff that happened to you. How the seemingly perfect and faithful girls turned into dirty bitches thanks to your charm, how their boyfriends knew absolutely nothing, how the bitches kept their image of a good girl before jumping on another alpha cock.

Then you fully realize that there's not a lot of reasons to be in a relationship if you're young like me. There's a lot of competition and the girls are just "enjoying themselves", no matter if they promised someone exclusivity or not.

Right now my gf's being played by another guy. She invites him to stay at her place for a day while I am away. She is losing her respect for me. From now on, he's the diamond she's after. I'm going to dump her before they actually meet.

So here I am, almost 21, officially in a relationship but actually single (and probably single for a long time). I have no respect for most of women as I can see they are as bad as me, some even worse. I am probably going to have several fb's at once again, but it's eventually going to make me feel tired again and what then? I don't want another relationship because that would make me feel crappy too.

And one thing I'm really curious about - if you're 25 and older, you might be able to answer this, where am I in the learning process? Is it the end or is there a lot to come? For example when my number was around 10, I felt completely different from now and I tought that might be the end. Did any of you experience the feeling I have? Did your feelings evolve to something else?

Thanks

Well, it sounds like you have the pick-up part down pretty well, but I'm assuming from your post that you still have a lot to learn about "relationship game". Laying girls is easy.. keeping them (and keeping them happy) is the hard part. When you get good at managing LTR's, mLTR's and/or oLTR's, then you wont worry about what your girlfriends are doing when you aren't around.

-Wolf

I totally hear what your saying browski. I wish I knew what to say, but I think on some level were going to have lie to ourselves. Humanity/Society as whole would suck if EVERYONE walked around treating bitches like bitches and girls cheated on guy whenever they had the chance.

Their's a reason Disney and all the crap promote monogamy, and the double standard is enforced. If it wasn't promoted, all this shit would go into complete chaos.

I believe on some level that we are bigger than this. That we as men, can control our lust, and know where our boundaries are. That's specifically why I don't mess with a girl when she say's she has a boyfriend, even though I know she's lying.

We as men, have to set our limits. We need boundaries.

What does this mean in the overall picture, i'm not quite sure, because i'm sure this question has been discussed for centuries.

But the least one can do is control their own actions, if other people want to act a certain way, so be it.

Ever met a girl who was actually in love with her boyfriend? Try getting her to cheat on him with you. You can't.

This is an interesting sentence. Do you have much self respect? If you do, then why do you not respect women who are "as bad as you"?

If a lady is "as bad as me" I have mucho respect for her! The one's I don't respect are those that are so out of touch with their own desires, that they fall victim to them.

Maybe your approach to gaming is wrong for you. Take a long, hard look at your reasons for gaming and your overall philosophy and world view. Our goals can often change as we grow. If you're chasing something that isn't congruent with your inner self, you'll feel empty even if you're getting it.

Other things that may help is taking mini-breaks from gaming. Dedicate some time to other hobbies and/or enjoy quality time with quality friends.

Not all women act the way you describe, but an awful lot of them do. That's the breaks, kid. People suck...almost all of 'em and ALL of us have the capasity to do shitty things. Good people can do bad things, man or woman.

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This sentence is 100% true. Women are much more loyal then men I have to say.

You are somewhere in the middle. I can tell you have not met one women you 100% liked. Your view will change. Protip: Try changing up the venue(store, gym class) of where you are meeting your typical girl and go for a girl 23+.

Also, do not be afraid of your girlfriend cheating behind your back. I have a girl and I know that I do a fantasic job of keeping her in love with me. So you gotta do that too. If there is something going on behind your back, it's very easy to pick up on.
How many times I have heard this or "I only do this for guys I'm in a relationship with for". It's true that girls will do absolutly anything for someone they are attracted to, so in a relationship use that to your advantage. Never stop learning, improving and seducing overall.

I gotta admit you're right with this. I've been there too.

You actually made me look at it from different perspective. Thanks.

Bump let's hear some more discussion about this because I am also having a hard time believing that women can be faithful. On the other hand, I am young and it just maybe the maturity level of some of the girls I see. I just want to hear more thoughts on this..

I am not even near to being a PUA (just a reformed AFC) but I'm already losing much of my illusions, though this may be partly is because I'm getting to the end of my "classic high school teenager" years, and so do my friends.

I have many female friends and it's quite horrifying to me to hear some of the stuff. When I overhear them chitchatting about their one-night stands, or their manipulative relationships, that they cheat, sometimes it's a "kissed that guy because he was so pushy" or "made out with him because I was so drunk" and I even heard "hooked up with her a few times because she didn't have a boyfriend for some time, and it's not cheating anyways if it's a girl". The kind of douchebags they hook up with, and they know they are douchebags, "but whatever". That sometimes it's "fun to be a slut for the night". Talking openly about sex-only relationships with no feelings from their side, then casually adding "yeah, it sucked telling him that I felt nothing.". I hear this stuff, not just from sluts, but from girls who I always categorized as the shy, friendly, "next-door" type female friends... and hearing, seeing, experiencing this stuff scares me.

Be glad that you lost your illusions already. It hurts me as I am losing mine.

And seconds later, another useful addition by dear Bilbo. I think we needed this reminder.

Every human has a moment of weakness, even the strongest of us. All you have to do is find the correct moment of weakness. This applies to any person, not just women.

How are going to find that?
Let me explain better, you meet an engaged girl and she´s in love with her boyfriend ,you don´t know when the ´´weakness moment´´ will happen ,maybe it´ll take 1 day maybe 1 month maybe 1 year or more.
Are you going to check the situation every week?do you have so much time to waste?
I think you´re thinking too easy...

I never said it was that simple. A lot of times it is something as simple as noticing her frustration, other times it maybe her confiding in you, and then sometimes you may never catch. I’m just saying, every human has a moment of weakness. If you find that moment where any person is most vulnerable you can do pretty much anything.

Just look at what Chief says again.

If a girl has a better option why would she go for the second best?



To the OP. I totally see what you mean, you get scared and disgusted because your innocent view of the world has changed. The world has been the same since forever, it is only your experience that has changed. You are wiser for it and this is not the end it is the beginning.
Getting disillusionized is needed for developing yourself, the first step is to admit that you have a problem right? That is true for inner game as well as for everything else.

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I'm not trying to be a dick Ezo, but you're being a Pick Up Snob in my opinion.

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