seal and heidi klum buddy... go google that shit, that man is ugly as fuck, but hey he is in shape and can sing, FUCKING NARUTO BITCH... BELIEVE IT

Yeah, i was exaggerating, that is true. If she walks in with a pair of jeans and a sweatshirt that is reasonable /decent, hell yeah. But i have frequented clubs and bars where they would wear the next thing after a garbage bag. Its sleazy clothes, she doesnt look ... decent. In my mother tongue, i would say 'marginal', but i dont know if the word really exists or has the same meaning. She looks like she is on the margin of society. I have seen many good looking girls in that way. I dont want her.
Now, here i can follow you. The nuance is a bit different. Yes, it is true, it would go a long way to get those women. It would help, a lot even. But i still stand foot, you dont NEED it to get those women, or good looking women in general. Confidence and a great set of balls also go a long way. And not only for 'mediocre' women.

On the other hand, there will always be women (just like men btw) who make a big deal about image and such, what would other people say? You know, girls that have turned off their brains and just go for good wrappings. I agree that you can have all the confidence in the world, if you dont fit their image, you wont get them.

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Sucker love I always find,
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and he's got money, and he's famous, and he's got status and social proof.

U cant compare regular game to hollywood game.

when i say supermodel, i dont mean an actual supermodel, but somebody who looks like one or is trying to be one. supermodels have their own money and they have a completely different set of filtering mechanisms.

if seal wasnt a singer, rich, famous and have status, she would no way be with him.

neither would shannon tweed be with gene simmons. and no way would flava fav get all those women.

money power status connections influence and fame. sure beats a big hat

do you even understand what good game is?, all you are doing is projecting status...

don't fool yourself, girls care about who you are, and alot of that comes from within not the outside, there are plently of guys on this forum that I have had a chat with that are goodlooking or popular, or have money, but still have trouble getting girls, it is not as if once you have these things girls just drop into your lap, easy as pie, you gotta man up and get them, not only this but no matter how much money and status a person has, a person is still a person, If I was rich and famous it is not as If I would only date rich and famous people, a HB7 would still be a HB7 to me, same shit for girls, just cause she is really good looking, does not somehow devalue you in her eyes, if you can sleep with one girl, you have to potential to sleep with all girls, they are just people, and how attractive you are is subjective from person to person, I've even met guys that have a preference to overweight girls, that is what turns him on, hes fairly good looking too, and gets alot of round chubby ass, good for him, more power to him, but thinking there is some sort of league system and as soon as a girl reaches hb8 status she can not ever date a lowly low guy, that would ever line up to anything in her eye below an 8, is such a narrow mindset, I know girl a sleeps around and she fucks tons of guys, i've seen her get with average guys, sub-average guys, good looking guys, (one time she hooked up with a guy that was trying to be a rapper), and she is a solid 8, it is all dependant on the person

you tend to realize this, when you figure out, hotties are just as likely to sleep with you as an average girl (permitting circumstances), the only problem is they usually have more guys hanging around and tend to always be in a relationship

Regardless of what any of you believe in your heads, the FIELD decides what's true.

Even newbies who are just starting off with the Newbie Mission can see that the whole "league" thing is bullshit:
my-mission-1-shopping-centre-say-hi-to- ... 87253.html

You may want to read what I said again. I said I dated MODELS, not SUPERmodels. there is a difference between the tho. I said nothing about the later. And no I don't have any pictures so you can take what I said as true or not. But my point that you missed that the whole league thing is stupid and far from true.
People that are in Hollywood also live in a different world if you will. This is no to say average joe can't game and close a celb as his can, but he has to be in that world to do so.
None of the two models where trying to be supermodels. Both had money, but that was more due to working regular jobs. Neither one was making that much money from modeling. Only one model, the runway one (the other was a classical car model), had slightly different filtering methods which I passed with ease. I passed because I gamed her not her looks and because of that simple thing/trick it separated me from the other guys by miles as she was use to guy gaming her looks.
Yes it does. This does not mean one has no chance with the odds stack against them. You say you want to look at things realistic, but you seem to more to be letting what society says about girls than actually seeing reality. Reality is there is no league of any kind. Thinking such thing is not only stupid but reinforces the sort of logic/thinking you are displaying here. As I said by your logic the two models I dated would be out of my league as I am an average guy with no status to speak of, and definitely have no money, and I am a geek to boot yet I was able to go out with them.

He is projecting what society has told him and not reality.
Hotter the girl the more likely she will be single actually. Hot girls tend to be approached less as guys tend to think they are taken.

ok then, but Ill still be waiting for a picture of you standing next to a model.

yes women want to know the inner person, but u cant change who you are. http://blog.timesunion.com/careers/ther ... 0%A6/1106/

this material makes you believe you are changing yourself, and for the better, but all you are doing is pretending to be something you are not.

You be waiting for a long time as I don't take pictures of the girls I go out with and secondly its not like I run with that sort of crowd. I just got lucky, twice. So you can take my word for it or not.

There are hot girls that move around like that as I have run into them tho in my experience they tend to be in their early 20's and/or late teens. Older hot girls tend to not move around as much but in my experience either stay single for long periods of time or are in long term relations.

Stupid argument. Everyone agrees that looks help your game. Everyone also agrees that looks are not what decide whether a girl hooks up with you or not. No one denies that an average looking guy could get a hot girl (I believe that with proper grooming, any guy can at least look average).

If I showed everyone in this thread the same average looking guy spitting great game and hooking up with a beautiful girl, everyone would come up with a different reason why it happened. "He clearly had status to her! His social position impressed her!" "He was just plain confident!" "Well, he wasn't ugly enough for his looks to really hurt him, his other traits made up for it."

Can't we see that we're talking about the same guy here? Let's just practice getting those basic, positive traits right, not argue semantics.