Thanks man for your help.I think you are right.
Although I might have got a heart attack if I could get both.lol

I just forgot something to tell . I asked one of the hbs (the one I liked more) :
ME: What are your 3 best qualities?
HB: hmmmm I am hmmmm nice! hmmmmmm I am hmmmm honest... hmmmm(after one min of thinking ) I have big boobs yeah!!!(high five to her friend)
Me: ha hah

I just laughed, shooot! I think I am in comfort zone of not being sexual with them.However, it's extremely hard to be sexual in the set of 2 and not being creepy and not lose the set.
I just know some comments like : "you smell good" and "I like ur lip.Are you a good kisser?"
If you guys know plans/techniques or ways to change the conversation in a set (or even if hb alone) sexual ASAP without being creepy please let me know (Almost all girls I met were in sets.) and I'll use them tomorrow.
Thanks,

You're a non-drinker who hangs out in bars. You're uncomfortable with women but want to pick them up. Everything about you and 'pick up' is an awkward non-fit. Reading your posts is like reading a story about a musician who's looking to join the NASA engineering team; it's just a non-fit.

Stop hanging around bars. You say you're not disfigured and you seem to have a good disposition. There are girls in your classes or girls you meet through work who'd probably love having you as a boyfriend. Go get yourself a GIRLFRIEND. Get familiar with her humor, quirks, body, reactions. Learn the way she communicates. Get comfortable with holding hands in public places. . . walking around with you arm around her waist or her shoulder. Get comfortable giving pecks on the cheek just because you adore her. Familiarize and connect yourself with one girl so that you can learn to do this with others.

Kasabai I like the way you see my problem.
Yes probably I am musician now. Bud I have to finally join the NASA.do I have any other choice?(also, I don't drink because it ruins my game if you call it a game for now .)
I like to have a GIRLFRIEND.My final goal is to have a girl I like and to be in a relationship with her.
My approaches to girls in bar, at least has made me bold to approach them in college and have a decent short conversation. Until I have no girl in my life, I have to go to the bars on weekends to at least improve my skills. The good thing about approaching girls in bars is that if I fuck it up, there is no consequence for me . I just go to another set. But in college or at work , it is not like that. Is that right?
If you have better suggestions for my weekends , I'd like to know.Honestly, I really like to try different ways to solve my problem.
Thanks,

gio_gin do you always go out alone? Have you got any male friends who succeed at picking up girls? One of my friends doesn't succeed very well when it comes to getting the girls to his place or going to the girls place. I've had a number of 2-sets with him where i talked the girls to coming to my place and my friend would come too. I start making out with the other girl in the bedroom and he gets to try with the other girl in my living room.
A friend can create you a good chance with a girl but you will have to escalate and make it sexual with the girl. Sometimes it can just happen automatically and the girl will do most of the escalation. That can happen when you're a good looking guy.
Having good looking male friends will create chances and adds your social value too.

Also, if you don't drink and you have a car, that can also create some good chances. One of my friends has got laid a number of times when he talks with a girl in the nightclub and at some point he will say "i got a car and i've not been drinking, so if you want a lift i could drive you home".
Taxis are expensive here and it's cold outside at night even in summer so they usually want to take the free ride home. In the car it goes like this:

my friend: so let's go to my home
hb: but you said you'll take me to my home
my friend: no i said i'll take you home, not YOUR home (and then he smiles)
hb: haha well ok let's go to your place

You have to do it with a smile because otherwise it can be creepy or you could even scare the girl.

I don't really think you should stop hanging around bars. I was very uncomfortable with women 2 years ago and it seemed like bars were not my thing. But now i think bars and nightclubs are by far the easiest way to get laid. You won't probably find a perfect 10 girlfriend now because you have not build enough confindence yet. When you succeed in getting laid a few times you'll build up a LOT of confidence automatically.

Sooner or later you will pick up a girl and take her to your place and there maybe you will struggle with sexual escalation. If the girl is a tiny bit shy, she won't escalate herself, you got to do it. Get close the girl (on the couch etc.), put your arm around her, then pull her closer and kiss her. Then just take the girl in your arms, lift her up and carry her into the bed. That's it.

Ok you said you read 60 yoc? if you did why did you ask what are you 3 best qualities? mystery method aka pupu....

re-read 60 yoc like 5 times... Going out alone is the best, you do not need to drink, i have been going out for more than 16 years and i never had a problem, i never touch a drink, since i do martial arts...

follow this posters: tva_oslo, warped Mindless, sexaddict911( in my time in the community these poster match in some aspects my 16 years experience), if club game your thing follow me.

You can know all the game you want, read all the books, whatever... You can not get every girl you want... This is purely a numbers game.

A woman interest in you is mostly sexual, there are 3 types of girls: those that are into you(all game does is help you get this girls faster), those that are not into you(no matter what the gurus claim they are not into you), and the ones that are i a grey zone( girls that may be with you or not, they need to find out,here is were game comes into play for you not to fuck up or to sleep with them faster)....


I want you to read the attraction code by vince dicarlo, re-read 60 yoc, and probably the most important book is(sex god by rose)

If you are a virgin may be physiological "your moral upbringing" or you may live in a small town, or you are not good looking like you say you are... Looks and being in shape is way more important that rehearsing stupid ass routines...

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Why?
There's more to life than picking up chicks at a bar. . . especially if your goal is to get a girlfriend.
Do yourself a favor and write down the EXACT skill sets that you think you are improving at bars. You can approach women. You can converse. So . . . what would you like to improve at a bar? I am telling you that you lack awareness of male/female relationships. You lack intimacy. You lack comfort with females. You don't seem to understand when things aren't serious. . . or when they are. . .

The best way to figure this out is to find yourself a girlfriend and whether it turns out well or whether you F it up. Whether it lasts 10 years or 10 days, you'll figure something things out . . . naturally. . .
You will learn that how ^silly this is. . . You are a man. There are women. People ask people out to get into relationships. This is life. On the other hand, you live in a fantasy life where you replaced 'voids' in knowledge with silly assumptions.

Go ask a girl out. Have fun. Get yourself a girlfriend.

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Casco I know extacly what you are talking about. My friends are not good in pick up or they are not in to bar at all.If I had male friend like that,I wouldn't have this problem.

This is crackin' me up. I hope this poster wasn't seriously. You don't sound 28, you sound 18.

Thanks SKILL for your helps. As I said I am not american and have different background and there several reasons that it happened to me.
In this 2 weeks I am now convinced that I am good looking and is working kinda against me now(not in terms of pick up ).
Don't want to go in details,but I think in normal interaction with women(not talkng about HBs) , they are sensitive if you don't care about their feelings(which you can't for every woman) they are gonna try to get you down.Especially when they realize you don't a have girlfriend.
It's pretty funny and ironic.All girls I've met think I've slept with tons of girls. I know it's because this is what they have done(all they have to do is open their leg). Probably they have no idea what we go through. and that's kinda crazy for me. lol

Hey Dicklow,
Well I am 28 and everything here is serious.I wish you knew what I've gone through.The reason , I am revealing everything about myself is that I am trying figure out where I went wrong and I know I can find mature and intellectual guys like you to help me.So please tell me where was funny.

Kasabi you are a bright man and like how direct you are.I'll try to focus more on finding GF. Although, I am not sure to be as easy as it sounds.
Thank man!

The part where you said you were 9.5 out of 10. I'm not saying that it's not possible that you can physically appealing to women. Just, I find it odd that you haven't been approached by women looking to have fun. Usually when guys look really good women will seek you out. I feel that there is nothing wrong with being a 28 year old virgin just that there is a lot more to this story than what you tell in the initial OP.

Consider me an 8. Now it's not funny anymore and you can believe me better .

You'll soon discover how silly ^this is. . .

Practice what's in that link. Learn to communicate by demonstrating rather than telling. You're a good man . . . you have fortitude and balance. You'll figure this stuff out quite quickly.

gio_gin how are you doing? any progress with the ladies?