I know looks matter, Ive stopped believing in all of the just get a haircut and a clean shirt nonsense that most Gurus fed me. I know a question about how bad looking I am will come up so ill rate myself a 2/10. Although looks matter I believe that they arent everything a girl looks for in a boyfriend so what else can I work on to help me get a girlfriend (I dont care what she looks like at this point). I just want to stop complaining and do the best with what I have/Can achieve from now on.

Finally an honest response. Well I agree women dont look for just looks from a boyfriend, the problem is thats how u get your foot in the door.

There is a good book called "how to talk to women" its probably one of the better books out there because its real. It tells u what women want from guys.

I think u have to be able to make a woman believe that her life will be better with u than without u. U have to make her feel good and be postive. U gotta be a good listener, and show that u care about what she thinks.

Thats really what your doing when u ask a girl to be your girfriend. you are showing her how her life will be better, more fun, more fullfilling with u around.

cause lets face it both your lives change when u start dating.

As honest as it may be, it is not correct. Yes, looks are important. No you dont need to look like Bradolf Pittler. Not for pickup, not to get a relationship with a gorgeous girl. but i am not writing this in a futile attempt to change your mind about that.

what can you work on, except looks? Confidence and balls of steel!. Which i believe (no offense intended btw) you still have lots of work on. WTF, you dont care how she looks? well then pay a crack ho to be your girlfriend!

I do understand (seriously now) what you want to say. She doesnt have to be an hb 10 and you are right. But you need some standards dude. You need to know what it is that you are looking for and go get it. Dont let life shit on you. Nobody ever said PU was easy, except those perhaps who earn money with their books. It aint easy. Life is not easy, for none of us. Life strikes down any of us, but its only the strong that keep on getting back up.

All i am hearing from you is looks looks looks. My looks, my looks my looks, 2/10. well i give your confidence and balls even less. I know your post is not meant as a whine, but you deserve a kick in your ass nonetheless .

Common dude, grab your balls and do. It seems as if you dont care anymore. Well its the best position you can mentally be in to do the most outrageous shit you can imagine. You dont care what hte outcome is and obviously you dont have any self esteem you can lose (hehehe, i mean this more as a joke ). So think of the wildest, most daring thing that you have ever seen or read in pickup, and do it. Do the most directest game you have ever read. Go Mode One if you dare. Even if you fail, your confidence will grow, so will your balls (figuratively ofcourse, your scrotum will remain the same size).

Common amigo! i wish you the best of luck.

cheers

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"Stop being a fucking vagina and escalate" - CaptainJackHarkness

Like the naked leads the blind.
I know I'm selfish, I'm unkind.
Sucker love I always find,
Someone to bruise and leave behind.
placebo - every me, every you

Look at Steve P, hes for me a UG3. When you take the age into account. However when he speaks he sounds like the ultimum a man can reach.

If you wach yourself get nice clothes on and you can not be worse than a 5. What for a man is good looks on a woman is for a woman the confidence of a man. They want to be fucked by a man and not by a pussy. Thats not from the body but from the character. Start to surround yourself with beautiful woman and have them as your girlfriends. Although everyone says to avoid LJBF thats true. However a girl has a lot of girlfriends you can try to improve your game, your confidence and your language with.

Its already proven scientifically, looks matter. U talk as if nobody has ever approached a woman before. Some of us have been living with women for 9too many ) years.

It takes more than confidence and not caring about outcome to get beautiful women.

Washing and wearing nice clothes does NOT affect your face. Looks are based primarily on your face, so no amount of haircuts or designer clothes/suits are going to affect that in the slightest. Do you care what a beautiful girl is wearing? Would you pick an ugly girl in a suit over a beautiful girl wearing nothing? No.

washing and wearing nice clothes makes u appear like a higher class person, and makes u seem like u care about how you look. But it doesnt make u more sexually attractive. just makes u more presentable.

Have you ever gone to a formal event where everybody was wearing suits and dresses? Did women come on to you because you were wearing a suit?

No, they didnt run across the crowded room and start making out with you because u looked neat. LOL

besides anybody can dress nice and groom themselves, most people do that without even thinking about it.

Again, if the woman is in your own league, then dressing nice and smelling good will make her happy, but its not going to make Pamela Anderson want you

Science says so many things. One 'scientific research' claims this, while another claims something else. Perhaps you didnt read me correct when i said that looks are important, in general. People judge each other on how you look like.

However, to be successful in PUA, you dont need to look like a freaking movie star. How you look will affect your game, but i repeat, for those who have trouble reading, you dont need to look like a movie star.

I talk as if nobody has ever approached a woman before. Where do you get that? He asks what else to work on? I say confidence. He doesnt really care about the outcome anymore. Great! let em do some outrageous stuff and see what happens. confidence will grow. It has nothing to do with approaching.

Nowhere in my post do i state that you only need confidence and not caring. Please fix your reading skills.

You state that it takes more then confidence and not caring. Could you in the future also state what that would be? so that we can also learn and discuss?

@dan: if i care what a beautiful girl is wearing? yes. If she weares a garbage bag, i will not approach her. Yeah, looks are based on your face, but a haircut and some suitable clothes (dont care if they are designer or not) have a huge impact on your looks. She can have the face of an angel, if she looks likes a homeless scumbag, i will not approach her.

Just decent is enough. fashionable, but not a Dior look a like. We can discuss endlessly if you need looks or not to pick up girls, but that wasnt the dude his question in the first place. What else can he work on? Confidence and balls.

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"Stop being a fucking vagina and escalate" - CaptainJackHarkness

Like the naked leads the blind.
I know I'm selfish, I'm unkind.
Sucker love I always find,
Someone to bruise and leave behind.
placebo - every me, every you

for a start talk to 1 new girl a day, and no matter what happens, ask for her number before you leave, then follow up on the numbers for dates, or texting buddies, don't put pressure on them just keep stocking up that phone and practice flirting with them hitting on them, learn to speak girl language, every week, increase the number of girls a day you talk to by 1, stop when you hit a number that you are getting success from,

now just field test a whole bunch of random shit, and learn how to filter girls for what you want (do you like blondes, smart girls, easy girls... etc. etc. figure out ways to screen out girls that you don't want)

get really comfortable with two things, approaching and rejection, after a good month of approaching you will realize it doesn't matter but it takes some time, get used to it and get out there, every day you don't go do your approach(s), you have to make up for it the next day, but you have to commit and focus

Im not even going to debate this because LD nailed.

He is right!

Now go away,.

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Oh! You've gotta be kidding me!

Solid reasonable advice

@dan: if i care what a beautiful girl is wearing? yes. If she weares a garbage bag, i will not approach her. Yeah, looks are based on your face, but a haircut and some suitable clothes (dont care if they are designer or not) have a huge impact on your looks. She can have the face of an angel, if she looks likes a homeless scumbag, i will not approach her.

That is a stupid statement, who wears a garbage bag? If everybody is dressed in dress clothes, and a hot woman walks in with a pair of jeans and a sweatshirt, if she is hot every guy in the place is going to want her anyway.

Its nice to be positive, but its also important to be relastic. No, we dont need to look like movie stars to attract women, but to get women who look like movie stars, it would go a long way.

Actually it does, as it presents it in a different way.
Wrong. Looks are primary based on your whole body or more how you present your self. When you see a girl what is the first thing you notice? 90% of the time its going to be her BODY, more than likely followed by looking at her ass and boobs then her face, same thing goes for girls (yes girls do indeed check out guy's asses).
That's one hell of a bad comparison or question to say the least.

And if I followed that stupid league rule crap, I won't have ever gone out with models as they are out of my league using that sort of logic.
110% false. But I doubt you would see it in any other way really with the attitude you shown.

oh ok. So u have dated supermodels who were out of your league hey? Do you have any pictures.

Ill even accept a picture of u standing next to a supermodel let alone holding hands or kissing her,

U dont prove anything by saying it. but if u can pull a spermodel, im all ears and eyes.