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PostPosted: Sun Jan 08, 2012 5:06 pm 
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Fuck! Looks don`t matter. How you dress conveys a bit of your personality, but looks don`t really matter.. It`s all about how you present yourself and how you feel about yourself. Bcs that`s how girls will see you and respond to you. I used to think that looks are crucial, but then I figured out the opposite.. It`s just a tool like any other. It sure makes your game more solid, but it`s just a tool.
I`m not a good looking guy and you could easily describe me as a geek on first sight. And a lot of girls told me that that was their first impression. But I have a personality that I show intent really quickly, I`m sexual, flirty, I`m having fun with a girl and they react to me in the same way.
I think that the most important part is 1. how you present yourself, how you act etc. and the 2nd thing that`s even more important (but they go hand in hand) is whether you lead and have the balls to make a move (which is of couse congruent with how you presented yourself) and kiss a girl or whatever. And if you compare this with some good looking guy, but he doesn`t have such solid game-they won`t cling on to them. Girls want to have fun and they seek for a guy who can give them that. And if you are a closer, you really start to see that looks don`t matter at all.
And why? Well, the only possible option where looks could matter would be, if there were two guys in a club, one girl, and one of them was good looking, the other one not so good looking, and they had the EXACT same personality/game. It that case, a girl would choose a better looking guy. But if you think it over...-There are over 8 billion of people on earth and each and every one of us has a unique personality. And girls respond to our personality and all that shit. They do care about looks, but it`s not that important for them. And if a girl chooses another guy over you, don`t cry and say to yourself and others that he is a better looking guy and that`s why she went with him. Sure, shit happens and there will always be girls who will jump onto some guy that they even don`t know, but those girls are in minority and NONE of them actually dates that guy later ;)
But there`s a thing with our egos.. Marketing and all that, made it important to us how we look. It`s was implanted in our heads while we were growing up. Now I won`t get into details of this, bcs it`s probably boring to you, but in short that`s how it is... And through the process of growing up, our egos start to evolve and soon a "good looking guy" (that`s a made up phrase-it doesn`t really exist, it was just planted in our heads) gets aware of that and he acts like that or how a good looking guy should act (how he was thought or how he learned). And someone who is by "marketing definiton" a "not good looking guy", he gets aware of that also and he starts to act like that, like a "not good looking guy" should act-The made up rules of community put him lower than some "good looking guy" is. And that`s a false belief, that we all have in our heads. But..Girls are naturally attracted to some traits and the way a "good looking guy" should act, those are the traits that girls are attracted too. It`s simple as that. Let me ask you smth.. Do you know any "good looking guys" that are quiet, not confident in themselves? I bet you do. And what about them? Disregards his looks, he doesn`t have those traits.. And does he have women in his life? No.
Now, do you know any "not good looking guys", that are confident in themselves, have self esteem, engaged in all kinds of interactions? Probably you do, and you ask yourself, how the FUCK does he get women?? Well, he posesses those traits that girls are naturally attracted to and being a "not good looking guy" by some false definition, doesn`t slow him down at girls. What about that?! :O
Of course, if you are loud a dancing monkey and confident, but you can`t or don`t know how interact to woman at some level, that`s not congruent with what she thought you are at first, and the interest level drops and you are screwed. And then you blaime your looks, of course. But if you look closer, really closer, you see what is it all about.
So if you think that you are a bad looking guy and that "good looking guys" around you take over all the girls you are interested in, I challenge you that you analyze their behaviour, befriend one of them and you will see what it is all about. It`s up to you to decide then how you will continue your path as a man, but if you will come to this conlusion yourself, that looks don`t matter, you will change yourself in a way where you will feel confident and actually accept yourself and the reality around you.

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Looks do matter to women, in fact they matter a great deal to women - it's part of what's referred as being solid fitness indicators/cues. Symmetrical faces, for example, are generally viewed as more desirable as tells the women the man is freer of defect; physical characteristics do indeed matter, and there's a massive amount of empirical evidence which supports this. Women, like men are attractive to indicators of good fitness, and we aren't the only animals who behave this way. The most desired male peacocks, for example, will have the brightest, most ornate plumage (tails) - the females have next to no color, interestingly enough, and are drawn-in by males with the best tails. Yes, looks definitely do matter; if you are unattractive to a woman, you wont magically turn attractive by the words you use; Sorry, this is the truth. PUA artist authors tell guys looks don't matter simply to sell them on false hope in a bid to sell more of their product (e.g. workshops, books, video tapes etc.).

For the most part, a beauty bias does exist in society. We tend to give beautiful people more of a free pass as we generally desire to be associated, or near them.


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PostPosted: Sun Jan 08, 2012 6:04 pm 
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Papichulo is right, Women can be more unforgiving of looks than men can.

Women freak out of Justin Bieber, Enrique iglesias and Tom Cruise.

U dont see guys freaking out of celebrity women like women do. Some of it is due to celebrity, but its also the looks.

After all women werent freaking out over Chris Farley, even though he was a celebrity, but if he looked like tom Cruise, he would never have his pants on.

Besides having offspring with somebody good looking increases the odds of your offspring being good looking, making life easier.

Same thing with height and wealth, they help the family tree down the road. for protection and security.

Hey, we'd all like to be able to walk down the street and have women whistle at us, but we kinda got work with what we have, and be realistic.

if your a 7, game might help u get alot of 7's maybe an 8

if youre a 2, trying to get a 8 is askin alot.

if you're a 12 like me, u can have anything... :D


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Attributes like having a stronger jaw line, more masculine brow ridge, having a fit physique (which you CAN work on, it's called joining a gym and using it) demonstrate a man is able to withstand the effects of having higher-than-normal levels of testosterone in his blood without showing any defect.

Interestingly enough, there is research out there which suggests that women's preference for certain male face shapes changes during her menstrual cycle where at some points she prefers a more androgynous, almost feminine looking male faces shape whereas at other times more masculine rugged male faces. I haven't been following the literature for a while so I don't know how well backed this is. But looks are definitely important to a woman, this it not conjecture or opinion but rather the evolutionary truth.

Think of survival and replication value; a man who has good looks will likely produce good looking children, who will in turn have higher reproductive success in that they'll have an easier time attractive mates, and will also have greater mating opportunities. A lesser attractive man will have limited mating opportunities and have to expend more energy to find a girl to mate so his genes aren't weeded out from the gene pool. Having good physical indicators of fitness also suggest to women that her offspring are more likely to survive into adulthood and reproduce; we are very much, as Richard Dawkins stated, gene replicating machines.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Physical_attractiveness


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Have you even read what I wrote?
I didn`t said that they don`t matter in a way that you draw attention. It is a tool, like any other and by that, it does matter. But it`s not crucial, as many guys think.
Sure they say that bcs of that, but when you look closer, you can see that looks are not decisive. If you are "ugly", you CAN attract a girl, sorry, you must be really stuck-up or depressed if you can`t accept that. I`ve seen it happen and it happened to me a lot of times.
The people that we interact with are our reflections and how you present yourself-being congruent and having all those traits is Muuuch more important then looks. Just think about it...
All in all, looks do matter, but they aren`t crucial. Just one more thing that can make your game better more than it can break it. :)

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Have you even read what I wrote?
I didn`t said that they don`t matter in a way that you draw attention. It is a tool, like any other and by that, it does matter. But it`s not crucial, as many guys think.
Sure they say that bcs of that, but when you look closer, you can see that looks are not decisive. If you are "ugly", you CAN attract a girl, sorry, you must be really stuck-up or depressed if you can`t accept that. I`ve seen it happen and it happened to me a lot of times.
The people that we interact with are our reflections and how you present yourself-being congruent and having all those traits is Muuuch more important then looks. Just think about it...
All in all, looks do matter, but they aren`t crucial. Just one more thing that can make your game better more than it can break it. :)
Good looks aren't crucial, but they definitely provide for more mating opportunities. Ugly men with attractive women couples are outliers, there will always tend to be a FEW aberrations, but not common enough to challenge the theory. Mental characteristics ALSO serve as fitness indicators (certain personality traits will predipose an indviidual to having a better chance at survival - evolutionary psychologist Geoffrey Miller describes these human mental traits as fitness indicators (reliable cues of underlying phenotypic traits and genetic quality).

I'm not sure what you're trying to say by "The people that we interact with are our reflections and how you present yourself-being congruent and having all those traits is Muuuch more important then looks." Often we choose people who reflect an IDEALIZED version of our selves, not our real selves (or at least the self as we see it).


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Have you even read what I wrote?
I didn`t said that they don`t matter in a way that you draw attention. It is a tool, like any other and by that, it does matter. But it`s not crucial, as many guys think.
Sure they say that bcs of that, but when you look closer, you can see that looks are not decisive. If you are "ugly", you CAN attract a girl, sorry, you must be really stuck-up or depressed if you can`t accept that. I`ve seen it happen and it happened to me a lot of times.
The people that we interact with are our reflections and how you present yourself-being congruent and having all those traits is Muuuch more important then looks. Just think about it...
All in all, looks do matter, but they aren`t crucial. Just one more thing that can make your game better more than it can break it. :)
that is great man, it is the equivilent of saying looks don't matter for girls, it is just a tool, sure you don't have to be a hb9, but if you take care of yourself and are a hb6, some guy out there will date you, but then the hb4's have trouble, they need more game and confidence, can't care about being and acting slutty if you want to find a man don't be too picky hb4's,

look man, girls are more picky then guys over all, cause they can get pregnant, it is more important to them who they sleep with, they take into account everything, looks and personality, the ability to survive, your whole status as a person is taken into account, not just one aspect, and what ever aspect is more highly weighted is completely subjective to the individual, and is that way for both men and women, how ever, women have a slightly different mating agenda then men, and looks tend to be more widely subjectively viewed and less important (don't misinterperet this statement to say not important, they are important), girls tend to hold more weight on things such as, social status, and wealth, as well as security, then men do, these things can sometimes compensate for a lack of looks, more so for a guy then vice versa (girls with status and wealth, are still not as well off as a guy in the reversed role)

everything matters, but most importantly, how she feels about you


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I totally agree with what you wrote.. As I said, it`s a tool and if you have a chance, why not use it in best possible way and as you said, show some traits with that :)

What I meant to say was, that whatever we do, say to the other person it affects them and they make the next words, actions, thoughts based on what you said, did.. And girls can recognize if you are "faking" or just being yourself immediately and based on that, their attitude towards you changes. It`s a kind of DHV and a rapport builder..
I hope you understood now, what I meant...

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