I know this has probably been discussed at length here but I'm curious what you think.
Do looks matter? The general concensus seems to be they don't really as long as you have game but it can't hurt to be good looking right? I guess I'm asking because I've gotten back into working out and I could use some more motivation lol. I've gotten some compliments from girls about my looks and even got some ass slaps back when I was in better shape but I was in a relationship then so I wasn't gaming.

I know you still need game even if you have good looks but there has to be some chicks that will hit on you solely because of your looks. Every experience like that is good right? Or am I just thinking backwards here to avoid dealing with my problems escalating? Any thoughts?

Game makes up for a lack of looks. However, there's really no excuse to not be as good looking as possible.

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Looks are extremely important. You might be able to add to your appeal with game, but don't underestimate the power of looks.

Oh and going to the gym doesn't alter your face, and your face is where good looks are (or not). Good facial looks are nothing whatsoever to do with how muscular/fat your body is. An ugly muscular girl who can run 100m in 10 seconds is still ugly, while a beautiful but weak girl is still desirable.

Well, I don't know how its with the other phases, but I do think that you can pass the Attraction phase faster, with less trouble&effort, because good looking is many times already a DHV.

And the nice thing of beïng a good looking guy, is that you (some, far of the most) have already some confidence, because even if you had no game, some girls would still check you out.

Good looks alone won't get you anywhere. Girls will check you out, approach you and hit on you but if you don't know what to do or say from that point onwards they will walk.

Good looks, confidence and a strong personality turn you into a chick magnet, but you're capped at the reasonably good-looking ones. Roughly HB6-7.

If you want the really, really hot ones (HB10 - what I'm pining for now) it's a whole new ball game.

Well I've been told I have really nice eyes and good facial features (ironic as I was bullied because of my looks in school) but I've gotten fat during the fall.

I agree and I've had it happen to me many times. My reasoning is just to maximize my opportunities, I know I still have a shitload of inner issues to work on.

Not entirely true. A guy with an average looking face who works out will attract the eye of more women then, say, a guy with an average looking face who is out of shape or has a very average looking body. Also losing weight can alter the face in that it'll appear leaner, and less rounded.

Rounded isn't the only way a face looks ugly/mediocre though.

yea you dont want to go up to a girl and look like a bum or you just off of work or something you know?

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Looks do matter, but they are not everything.

looks matter, but if you don't have the balls to capitalize on the chances they create, they will amount to less then someone who has to balls to capitalize on his chances, the better the looks, the less effort to get girls investing you will need, the less looks you have to work with, the cooler you gotta be, it is sort of an exchange personality for looks, but one thing is for sure in my mind, you have to be physically passable, once you are, looks are really just a bonus, but they certainly can easily be a deal breaker for alot of girls, but not everyone is super shallow to the point of wanting, a girl or a guy who they rate a 9 or a 10, you are pretty safe once you hit average, at that point you can just focusing on being a cooler more confident likable person, and your looks are enough to get by

Looks will help you, but you won't crash and burn without them. It's like a tool that will get you some attraction if used right (hint hint?).

I have a solid number of ugly/Fat friends that pull decent ass..

It has little to do with looks I say; it has to do with accepting yourself for what you are and being happy/content with that. Now, Good looking guys naturally accept themselves easier than ugly guys because they like what they see in the mirror and are often told they are handsome, cute etc.

You just have to realize that unless you wanna go all plastic surgery on yourself there is nothing you can do to change your face. Be who you are and be happy with that. NO girl wants a guy that goes home, looks in the mirror and pouts about how much better looking other guys are. This topic is completely irrelevant because there is no changing it. Unless your fat and you are wondering if you should lose weight(Yes you should).

How you feel about yourself is what you project onto other, I honestly don't think any guy in the world is ugly. It's been years since i've looked at another guy and felt there was nothing good looking about him, because I feel like I am on of the best looking guys out there... Look for the beauty in everyone else and you'll find the beauty in yourself.

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