Gents,

Had a date with a HB9 and things were going really well. At first she was a little nervous but after a few drinks at the bar we were flirting/touching ect. and she seemed super into me. The owner of the bar even came up to me and said "things are looking good for you". Towards the end of the night now (after an hour of 2 of the flirting/touching and enjoying each other’s company) people are leaving and its just us and a few locals in which shes knows (they went to h.s. together but were not potential threats..) at the bar. It was getting late so I told her I was going to leave soon and she was like ok cool im going to stay and chat w my friends. Which was fine but here is where it gets interesting...

I go in and try and kiss her after saying "on a scale of 1-10 how good of a kisser are you" and she was like "10" so I said "really? ok well lets find out.." and went in for the kiss...and she was like "umm i dont do that". This really threw me for a loop bc all night we were talking about giving me a BJ and she told me she had her clit pierced...ect... and now she wont kiss me? All the ingredients were there...more than enough IOIs... and i asked her again and she was like ya i dont do that...

So I ended up leaving and sent her a text "get home safe and was good 2 c ya". No response. Id really like to see this girl again tonight bc its one of my last days I could for awhile. Any ideas to kiss close this1? Or is she just playing the player at this point??? This girl is a freak and I have framed her sexually but still no kiss close... she just playing hard to get?

ANY COMMENTS WOULD BE GREATLY APPRECIATED.

Thanks,
Duke

that's messed up :O

Im kinda just posting so I can see what happens (if you hear back from her or not) because this is intriguing!

Maybe you went in at the wrong time, I like to do just whenever it feels right... You said you tried towards when you were about to leave, so maybe it didnt feel right at the time and was a last minute rush...

Also Im not a fan of 'kiss close lines' It should just flow and feel right to do naturally, without any lines.

Maybe her friends there said something to her. Or she didnt want to kiss a dude on a first date IN FRONT of her friends with them all watching. were they? coz remember, most chicks wont wanna look easy in front of people they know. You coulda isolated.....

who knows.

But really you could speculate lots of pointless things at this stage, and its not worth it... So anyway, just dont text again for now until she does. IF she does.... Not sure whats going on but it definitely sounds weird!

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Bro Thanks for the post back.

I did ISOlate her away from her friends... they couldnt see us in the back of the bar when i asked her how good of a kisser she was bc i kno she didnt wanna kiss me infont of anyone..most girls dont. But your right, i just think the timing was off... i shudda just done it when she was leaning in close and getting more intimate.

my question is what to do now tho? i dont wanna come off needy and i dont think i messed this situation up so badly that we wont see each other again...

but i did kind of storm out of the bar a little upset

i think the best thing to do is let time go by but its my last night in town for like 2 months and id really like to c her again.

any thoughts would be great! thanks again

Ah I didnt know these 2 details!

Issue 1
If you kinda storm off, or show any signs of it affecting you, its never good. Next time - just look at it as just a massive shit test.

So what! you try to kiss her and she doesnt reciprocate, imagine now if you coulda just shown that it doesnt bother you in the slightest, kept looking at her and said like:

"oh shit, me neither... you nearly made me break my own rule" *little smile*

then slowly pull away... and continue talking about what you were before.

HB's have these ways of weeding out guys who show any signs insecurity with these sorta shit tests... Because they are waiting to see how you react to it! and thats what they will judge you on.

They happen all the time, big or small. Soon enough you will become mostly immune to them!

Issue 2
About the going away thing... Well that kinda sucks. Maybe when you get back shit will be sweet and you can have another crack at her.

Otherwise... Id just use the line I said above. Usually Id never text her again til she does, but since you are going one more cant hurt too much...

Maybe just address the issue head on. "Look about the kiss thing the other night, I find you attractive and you nearly made me break my own rule. So its kinda your fault! =P...I head off soon blah blah blah.... if you want lets do this ___

But like unless you got some tricks up your sleeve I dont see you getting laid before you go with this girl. When you get back you could work on her again!

Above all don't text again til she replies! and seriously, if shes too stubborn to reply - next! who needs a girl like that

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Breaking Bad,

First off thanks again for the advice. Second your picture is classy.. 2 girls..nice lol. third i totally agree about the shit test... i was a little drunk and honestly so thrown off i just kinda bailed out and told her id talk to her later.. (not the greatest exit but i feel the night went well enough that i can text her in a week or so and rekindle).

Also, I never did think of this until recently... but it might play a BIG ROLE in what happened last night. This girls has had 1 boyfriend EVER... and they dated for like 4 years. They broke up a few months ago (4+ im not really sure..) bc he cheated on her... she told me about it last night so obv shes not totally over the situtation.

but it just seems to me that in her head shes ready to jump in the sack with me... and trust me iv kiss closed enough girls to know when/what they r thinking for the most part.. but emotionally she doesnt want to get hurt again.. esp on a day1.

She has also called me a man hore.. via text.. which is a turn on and off for her @ the same time i think. She knows im a guy who gets girls... which is attractive.. but she doesnt just wanna be girlfriend number 6 (or the flavor of the week..)

Overall I feel this girl has shown enough interest that I havnt blown it. She was willing to drive to my house (15 mins away) pick me up and hang out with me alone... I think shes attracted

Just gotta break down the walls and insecurities and watch out for the shit tests.. was a good experience actually.. iv never had a girl reject that kiss close (worked for me multiple times...).

Any other comments are apprecited. Ill send ya a PM as well

Thanks,
Duke

Dude, from what I've read you should have gone home with her.

First rule though, you dont tell a girl that you're gonna kiss her. I've tried it a few times and its like 50/50. It's not natural at all. personally, I hate those lines.

Since you were kinoing a lot, and you're outside, you could have just been like "you look a little cold, lets see if that helps" then you hug her. hug her for a feel secs, let that awkward silence happen, and when you make eye contact...BOOM. you kiss her. I've never had a kiss rejected that way.

If the weather is hot and you don't have that "you're cold" excuse, just push her against the fucking wall and start kissing her - they love that shit. or just grab her hand pull her against you and make out.

The reason why she would kiss that way is because the kiss is unexpected. When you use that kiss close line, she has time to think and get logical.

Its like you telling her "hey lets go to my place and have sex". it doesn't really work that well as opposed to "hey come to my place. I got this pretty good movie and a bottle of wine - you're gonna have to cook me dinner though".

Next time just remember what I've told you.
Now you should give her some time. a couple of days and then just call her - don't text.

Steve,

Great stuff bro and I really apprecite the response. This "failure" of not getting the kiss has driven me to find out what happened and i believe now i know. when I asked her how good of a kisser she was and she said 10, and then i said "ok we should find out" this triggered LMR for this girl. some girls kissing doesnt trigger LMR.. but for her it did and I was 2 AFC and maybe a little 2 drunk to first notice it... and then know how to deal with it. Iv built attraction. Iv built comfert. it was getting physical. and then like a ton of bricks boom LMR and i was out.

This i guess is my sticking point w this girl. next time i go in for a kiss yes it will be "natural" and i will use your tactics. If she still resists I will combat it with LMR techniques and go back in for it again... eventually she will surrender but i have to give her a reason. I have yet to get this girl a reason. I havnt yet told her that im going to stick around. youv "hijacked my brain". Thats what was missing. Thats where I fked up. And its awesome to have had this experience to be honest.
to learn and to know where my game is at.

If you have any other advice I would greatly apprecaite it!

Thanks again,
Duke

ah so far ive seen 2 canned lines straight out of a book. Not to sound degrading, but they really are just training wheels for conversations. I dont think you need them at all...

My final advice would be just to lay off them.... Its probably what got you into this mess in the first place with the KC line.... and then the "hijacked my brain" line then. You dont have to say these things word for word... Just demonstrate them. . . A simple funny text out of the blue to a girl will let her know you are thinking of her... You dont have to say "hijacked my brain" if you know what I mean.

Peace. Good luck.

& Let us know if the HB from the first post replies!

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I'ma be what I set out to be, without a doubt undoubtedly, and all those who look down on me I'm tearin down your balcony, no if ands or buts, don't try to ask him why or how can he