Does anyone get sick of the reality that to be successful with women whether it be through relationships, causal hookups, fucking your best friend or whatever. Does anyone ever get sick with having to know that there are things you can say or do when talking to her that are socially acceptable but will mean that she won't see you as match making material. Is anyone sick of having to change interactions with women just to get them to see you as something other than another guy, that your personality may not matter just because you decide to show people respect?

I am in no means an angry or depressed guy about women, I've been through the breakdowns which Mack has many times told people that people will have it and after that moment they will be able to see the importance on self reliance and their self confidence. As a result I've evolved as a person and don't do anything that disengages my self respect or my frame. I'm talking about the sad truth that to get women we need to care less and be less interested.

What the fuck will I say to my future son when he comes home one day from high school wondering why his friend didn't want to go out with him, even though hes been a good guy and friend to her, but she chose to go out with the guy who treated her like shit made her cry. Am I meant to tell him that good is bad and he needs to be an asshole to get girls and feel social confidence? Am I ment to tell him that hes not good enough because hes too nice and hes too good of a person, what kind of person am I supposed to raise him to be? Treat people with respect but talk to women with less interest and more of an asshole?

I'm just wondering if anyone is sick of the bullshit that we need to conduct to jump through hoops to get woman, that we need to change ourselves to someone who seems like a total dickhead in society? What kind of fucking role models will be for our sons if we tell them to act like this, if we tell them that this is all just a game of who cares less?

~ Rory

Not all girls likes the bad boys.

You can be a nice guy ... but still pickup up hot girls.

Just need to create challenge.

Confidence is the key

You can be a role model if you tell your kid to go after want he wants, have confidence and determanation. no fear, because life is too short.

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Oh! You've gotta be kidding me!

Yeah this is how I think too my man, I believe if you believe in yourself and always put yourself first and don't do things to accommodate her meaninglessly all the time. I do believe confidence is the most important thing and the most unattractive thing you can do is down yourself in a blunt and serious way, I even cringe when my friend says something about themselves. The difference between a PUA nice guy and a "nice guy" is the PUA nice guy makes a girl feel good, while a normal nice guy smothers the girl to like him to try and get pussy and in the end alienating her.

- PS Vampire diaries is the best because of damon

Yeah VD sucks, but damon act and talks like PUA.

To be honest ever got with a girl... that did everthing you want, had no challenge.

Did everthing your way... play by the book didnt complain.

Is boring as hell... even guys hates this type of girl. I know I did, it felt we have no spark, the same happens to women, challenge them... easy.

Doesnt matter if you are Good or Bad boy. Remember this, and stick by your code.

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Oh! You've gotta be kidding me!

You of all people should know girls lose their shit over Damon instead of Stefan.

I feel you man, and I feel exactly the same way, I hate the way that girls like a guy more if he cares about them less, and call him a creeper if he cares about her 'too much'. In this world full of war, violence and hatred, how can anyone be regarded as caring 'too much' for someone?

But one interesting revelation I had was reading about Master-Slave Morality. Google/Wikipedia it. Basically I think the good qualities you need to have in order to attract women are the Master qualities like strength, power, confidence & charisma - not to forget height & good looks of course! Civilisation constantly shoves down our throats the Slave qualities, which are indeed essential for maintaining a peaceful, pleasant and productive society. However, women aren't attracted to guys who possess only Slave qualities like kindness, compassion and being nice & gentle, unless they are backed up by Master qualities. So a guy raising a kid should encourage him to develop & exhibit these Master qualities like strength, confidence & charisma, in order to be powerful and attractive to women.

Steffan is not a nice guy... he is fucking treadmill.

He even cries like a baby.

Zero challenge..

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Oh! You've gotta be kidding me!

The thing that catches me the most though is how we are living in an alleged society where we are meant to be 'equals' with women, this has even gone to the point of having women in leadership roles in many countries and states, presidents, prime ministers, governors and mayors. However deep down we are still not equals and we need to assume control as males, this is such a mind fuck for the emasculated world that we live in that is brainwashing with stupid romantic comedies and feministic ideas, it's all just bullshit.

Guys, really, common. The docktor here says it like it should be.

What a woman needs is a man, a strong man, not a suckup. The nice guy is a stereotype of dudes who actually are willing to give up their self just to be with this one woman. A man who can stand up for himself.

Besides, imagine that you have a friend who sucks up. Always does what you say, always agrees, who would jump if you told him to jump. There is no satisfaction in a friendship like that. There is no way of broadening yourself with somebody who has no other interest then those you have.

You know what i am sick of? The idea that you need to be an asshole to get women. I just dont understand where it comes from. Basically, the not caring part means that you dont have to crawl for women. Grow some balls to be able to stand up to a woman you like. it actually means: be somebody that you like, not somebody you THINK she will like.

Who ever said that you need to change to a total dickhead in society? Pussies and total dickheads are very much alike: they are both filled with insecurity. The first one just hides it by shutting up, the other one hides it by doing the exact opposite.
For me, pick up is not about changing myself to get women. Its more about changing myself to become a better person, a stronger person.

You are meant to show your kid that the world is his to grab. That he will encounter trouble, there will be fear. You are meant to show your kid that you know fear as well. You are meant to show your kid that fear can be dealt with. You are meant to show your kid that women want a strong man. Will you be able to do that, to show that?

I was going to write lots more, but along the way i guess i lost track (multiple times ).

cheers

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Sucker love I always find,
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^^ absolutely true.

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Oh! You've gotta be kidding me!

hmm, you are not seeming to get the big picture, it is not about not caring about the girl in a specific reguard, it is not about treating her like shit, it is not about being bad or being good, it is about who is the leader, who cares more about what the other person wants... if you care more about what she wants then what you want, guess what, you are not the leader, simple as that, you can be nice as fuck, if you are the leader she will find that attractive, there is a difference between being nice, and puting someone before yourself in order to gain their approval, there is a difference between kindness and desperation, it is all about where in your mind the ''niceness is comming from'' , you want to win her over?, then you have thrown your own self respect out the window because she already did like you, and by ''trying to get her to like you'' you are turning her off, because she knows she likes you and you are looking insecure and weird when acting like this, you call her 20 times a day to make sure you still got her on the hook, she gets creeped out cause your desperation is shining through, no one wants a friend or a relationship with someone who is desperate to be around them or suck up to them, those people are ''nice'' people because their heart is in a good place, but they are not ''good'' people because it is not enjoyable to be around them, don't get a ''nice guy'' confused with a guy that is nice and believes in him self and respects himself

My man that's what I understand, however the main idea of what I'm saying is that I believe that we shouldnt have a sugar coated society. If we are to be considered as equals we should be able to control and have fun in relationships as ourselves, do not take my view as a personal sign of my progress or my ability as it's just a view of mine. This is just a view which is next to the actual required to be successful, my first post just went into the fact that the asshole exterts the characteristics to be generally sucessful. In no way am I complaining about the situation because it is true that the deep factor of pickup is confidence and not the higher exteriors such as being a nice guy or asshole. However I'm talking about the bullshit of there having to be hoops such as shit tests to jump through, I'm not asking for advice on how to change myself in some particular manner, I'm just voicing a view that if society says men and women are to be equal, why isn't it like that in reality?

If you agree with Snake here then what the point of the post?

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I agree.

My thoughts on the topic are this. You have to be a worthwhile person to get worthwhile girls. It takes time and effort to change yourself this way. The original post was an expression of frustration at the amount of time and change that goes into this process. It's obvious that OP is still focused on improving though.

Even if you're frustrated with how things work, the one thing you can't do is give up.
This social system is how it is, we can't change that, only work to bring honesty to it.

I dont know what you mean by OP is focused on improving, I'm not complaining that "OMG ITS SO HARD TO GET GIRLS LIFE SUCKS OMG ITS NOT FAIR" I'm just saying that I think it's stupid that we have to think out through our interactions rather than just living through them. I don't think anything I've mentioned in this post at any word relates to an indication of me being an AFC or RAFC. All I was questioning was the philosophics behind all of pickup and the ideas that we need to be people other than who we are to be successful. Just because I don't like how the game is doesn't mean I don't play for the winning team, I don't act in an unfavorable way or as an AFC.

But yeah, anyway the main thing behind game at the lowest levels is confidence and the strength to be able to stay to your frame. The highest surface of pick up is shit like openers and routines, but the truth is that this peels away as you reach further into the game, where you don't need to remember anything other than who you are and what your frame is and to not be a pushover at all and staying true to your self confidence.