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First off, I've NEVER known a person whose dating life was turned around by PUA (Pick up artist industry) techniques and could prove it. Not one. The successes exist only in the fake testimonials and scripts of PUA gurus like David DeAngelo, Ross Jefferies, Mystery, etc.



PUA shares a lot of features of multi level marketing (MLM) in that it's a lot of hype around a guru or "system" with big promises, yet the majority of followers don't get the results promised. So they are told to practice further or to blame themselves, because the system "works" and is perfect. It's like a religious belief. So any failure of the system is attributed to the followers of the system, who are told to blame themselves, rather than the system itself.



It's all a con game based on false premises and flaws designed to profit those who start the system or program.



PUA offers a hyped "system" with big promises that doesn't really deliver, giving its followers something to believe in, and taking advantage of them.



It promises a formula of techniques that will "create" attraction. Yet in reality attraction doesn't work that way. Being cocky and funny (David DeAngelo's approach), for example, may get some airhead girls to laugh at you, but it's not going to create attraction from a girl who isn't attracted to you. Get real.



They claim to help you acquire social skills, which are either defined as manipulation/persuasion techniques or tact/diplomacy skills to help you get along with others. Such may help you to get along with others, such as coworkers, the cashier at the grocery story, and help you stay on other people's good side. But again, it's not going to create attraction where there is none.



For PUA techniques to work, the girl has to ALREADY be attracted to you. There has to be a pre-existing attraction for it to spice up, in which case you don't even need PUA. But it's not going to create attraction out of nothing. Anyone who claims it does is either lying, BSing, conning you, or in denial and probably has little or no experience with real human relationships.



In reality, humans and their behavior do not fit into "formulas". Any attempt to fit them into such usually fails and lacks understanding of the complexities and unpredictability of human nature. Anyone with real experience in relationships knows this.



Real social skills have nothing to do with formulas, but are about being attuned and aware of subtle messages and body language from others and having the sense and insight to act accordingly, with tact and diplomacy. Everyone is different and require different types of communication/social skills to deal with. The social skills you need to get along with others in American settings, for instance are very different in Japan, and vice versa. It takes insight and experience to be able to "read others".



There are social skills that will help you get along and work harmoniously with others (as long as they are not like oil and water to you). But there are no "social skills" that will make you attractive to the majority of women you meet who don't find you attractive. No way. Only in PUA material does such exist, not in real life. It's a totally delusional system, made evident by the lack of results.



None of the PUA gurus have any real proof that their "system" works reliably for the majority of people, even if it really does work for them personally. Instead, they expect you to take all their big claims on faith, and many are gullible enough to do just that, cause many disgruntled men who follow them need something to believe in that gives them hope and gives them the illusion that they are in control.

Wow man you honestly think that PU is a total failure that's a pretty big accusation to be making don't you think. What about the guys out there that have no confidence, no friends, no life that have decided to try something once in their life's and it actually brings them success. Now don't get me wrong I agree with you when you said that it's a market out there and these gurus are looking to make money on the first available student, fair enough. But they have to live too, they have to maintain and survive in this world as well. If they have skills that they are willing to share with the world to help improve lifestyles of Men, Women and whoever needs it why not allow them to teach it hasn't killed anyone that I know of. So why not let them do what they love.

I also agree that no system is perfect and that as humans we will always remain spiratic because of free-will check, got it. But in order to sell products you have to make it enticing to the abundance crowds of people that are willing to take a step towards change. And besides anybody with common sense will be able to learn that these programs are just steps to help you create YOUR OWN LIFESTYLE, METHODS and TECHNIQUES towards attraction. It's just the first step towards change.

As far as attraction yes it's true not all women will be attracted to you every great person in life has struck at some point. But it doesn't mean that there aren't chances that can not be created if you knew how. I'm a firm believer in the Art of Attraction because it teaches you how we connect on a most basic human level, and on that level my friend we are all the same at some point. I personally say that if you don't believe in it then stop going out chatting up women, stop taking advantage of that special moment because you believe that its another "technique, gambit or game" stop sleeping with women because all the other PUA's do it and let us know how far you get in your life.

Now don't get me wrong man I'm not trying to be a A-hole here, but I'm just tryng to let you know that this stuff does work for people that want change in their life's and are using things that have worked for other people as templates to create their on success that's all. If you ask me I never regret a smooth perfect day of PU nor do I regret a horrible day of rejection with PU in the end it all teaches you who you are.

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I think there is a ton of hype and bad marketing out there for this stuff. That I agree with. Style said as much in his book. The system is not perfect - the sucessful ones (yes, we do exist) have created our own spin on it but the basis of it is pretty sound. I don't think you'll find any success stories out there if someone follows the books like a robot- no more, no less. Do you believe all attraction is based on physical attributes? There are lots of guys (not talking pick-up "students") who end up with women who are out-of-their-league hot. There's a mental and social aspect to attraction. For example, intelligence is a turn-on for me. I have no idea if it works for a majority of people. But I don't think there's any harm in someone trying to see if it's right for them. Start small. I paid 20 bucks for a book and I did become more social because of it. You can call that a scam, but I thought it was worth it. I'm sure other posters here think so too.

You're thinking on too large a scale here, bro. There are over 3 billion females on the planet. Which means any given man won't even scratch 1% of that. Period. The whole idea behind PU is to better yourself. Yes, it's a business, and the "gurus" are in it to make money, but this doesn't just come out of nowhere. I know some of it is legit from personal experience, but it's just like any other enterprise. If Dan Marino were to sell a video on how to be a "master quarterback", he would sell millions of them, but how many people would actually get results? Only the ones that actually dedicate themselves to learning certain principles, and personalizing the rest to what's the most effective for them. PU is no different.


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It does work, but it takes lots of effort and time. Took me about 2 years.

Yes, the pick up marketing is huge. It just like any other industries. They gotta market there product.

Don't forget, pick up is a skill that some of us are not born with and it needs to be learn. So it will take time.

I agree with that marketing stuff. One thin is "the game" book it's actually fun to read it was first book that I read all.
But all those programs with that pathetic marketing stuff makes me angry.
And all forums became tool to sell it. I like this forum but for example (can't post links :/) is like 90 percent of it is commercial stuff...
I also agree with that there's bunch of different types of girls and you can't use same formula in everyone but jesus that's why pua aiming for clubs and etc. And that's why there's no program "how to pick up girl in NASA seminar".

Oops this doesn't make sense to me. Call it religious belief and then sounds exactly like it?

But hold on, I don't disagree with you. Attraction to me is still some kind of a myth, probably for the "I'm not her type" thing, right or wrong. I don't believe in stuff from Magical Bullet which stated a girl becomes attracted to you when your value is higher than her. Well so rock star is supposed to be able to fuck every girl on the earch, right? No I don't think so.

Imho, there are some values on a girl's mind that trigger attraction switches, some don't value money, some don't like gigs, some despise sentimental guys.... But you're supposed to find that out after Attraction, in Qualification and Comfort, remember?

BUT, for those girls that are attracted to me, or maybe "half-attracted" to me, PUA stuff works like charm. And most importantly, through reading and learning PUA stuff, I improve my lifestyle, inner game, conversational skills, storytelling, pretty much everything. I remember I was in a seminar about some kinda master and PhD scholarship, listen to all those stuff speakers talking about how to polish your application and win scholarships, and suddenly I realised "Shit, PUA stuff taught these all". I have only learned PUA for like few months but I felt my life have changed drastically, in a really good way. Just to mention, I had a really really good life back then (described by a lot of people as nearly perfect)

The guy who originally wrote that used it as a plug for his new dating video. He accuses PUAs of being scam artists, in order to scam you into buying his own product.