I noticed many interesting things and discovered a friend of mine has some natural abilities I didn't know about. I have a very monotone voice and found I had trouble getting the girls attention when trying to join in a conversation. I calibrated by listening and waiting for a pause in the conversation to jump in. That worked a little better. But I'd really like to know how to dominate a conversation like my friend did. I also noticed after just 2 beers my game is affected. More alcohol helps me lose that fear of approaching but after 2 beers I cannot think clearly enough to do an approach the way I want (voice control, speaking slowly and clearly, being sharp and witty). Even with a good buzz going I still had fear to approach this two set of girls. I convinced my friend to approach with me and we convinced them to join us and our friends. The best part of the night was getting them to walk across the room with us, to our friends. I scanned the bar as we walked and noticed several groups of guys (presumably AFCs) all watching us like we had worked magic. We didn't get any further with the girls besides small talk and just having fun. But for me, just getting started with seduction, I think it's the small victories that count. I felt like a rock star seeing these guys all look at us with disbelief. Coming away from the night my biggest desire is to become more of that alpha male like my friend and also to find a good wingman. Any advice on how to find a wingman? I must admit I am more nervous about approaching guys for help as a wingman then approaching the ladies.

Nice to hear that everything went well. As you said, small victories count a lot, especially if you are starting out. Now all is left is to do is a list of things you could improve and work them each time you go out.

As for the wingmen questions, usually your friends are the best ones you can get. If you do need to find other wingmen, just approach the group of guys with sincere intentions and being fun. By this I mean just say to them you want to approach a group of ladies and if they want a part of the prize.

agreed picking your wing man or being a wing man i would choose some one you have some rapport with. Whenever i am out wing manning for my friend our friendship is 13+ years so we know how to read each other and plan accordingly when talking to women.

Whenever i have to play the lead for some of my other friends I know them well enough where I can talk them up to a degree to a group of girls. I can introduce them where they feel comfortable enough to keep conversation going with the girl.

Moderate drinking is the best, though that depends solely on you. I like going out having a wild time with friends, if we meet women (we always do) its a great time, so i dont mind getting a little bit passed buzzed. But i would adjust your drinking to your game. Get used to a certain level 2 or so drinks measure the effects and see how it effects your game. No woman (unless they are drunk..) wants to see a sloppy guy slurring his speech and barely holding himself up.

Small victories are STILL victories, most of the women i meet i have no intention of talking to again. I just enjoy meeting new women all the time, there are occasions where they are interesting enough that i DO want to set up day 2's and talk to them some more. But that usually isn't the plan when i go out, the plan isn't even to meet/hook up with women. Usually it is go out with the intention of having a good time with friends anything that happens is just extra.

I'll admit i am not a great looking guy but i KNOW how to talk to women, how to socialize, how to build comfort and how to make them laugh. There are times i see guys looking at me like i am working magic. But its all because i am willing to gamble and actually approach women! So go out there and meet women, because if they don't want to talk to you they aren't the type of women you want to meet anyway.

Thanks for the suggestions. I've had another night out since then that was equally interesting. It's crazy because so far I am mostly working on my inner game. I haven't really approached any girls yet. I've put myself in situations where they come to me and we end up talking. I have to get my inner beliefs re-framed, for example, my belief of what I think is possible for a guy to get away with in pickup.. What a guy can do to attract a girl.. etc. I've read/heard a ton of stories about crazy things PUA say or do to walk away with a HB or multiple HBs. I am trying hard on this one, but I feel like I have to see it to believe it. I don't see that happening, so I am open to suggestions on how to overcome this limiting belief.

I am making progress on the belief that I can go out, meet girls, and not be affected or become attached to any of them or to any outcome. That may not sound like much, but that one is HUGE for me. I've been programmed in the past to fall easy for that first girl that comes along. Now I am getting to a place where as soon as I screw things up with girl A, I already have met girl B and girl C and have their phone numbers. This has helped me a great deal because I know I will have another girls number within a week or so.

Another huge limiting belief of mine is feeling weird about an age gap and about my sexual desires. The way I am trying to look at it now is that these sort of things will only be an issue to the girl if I bring them up and make them an issue.

Once I get the inner game demons solved I can work on that outer game and not screw things up as much.

Winning the war is all about winning battles.

You should start off the conversation by playing off of there curiousity. Say something that will cause them to question the meaning. You also dominate the conversation by talking the most.

You don't have to tell a wingman that you're selecting him. Just befriend him, and hang around with him. He instantly becomes a wing.