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Hey everyone, I'll try and keep this as short and direct as possible.
Three weeks ago I met this girl at the club I work at. Hot girl and seemed like a very good sport. I got her number, spoke to her a bit via text messages and we scheduled the next day at the coffee shop. She flaked 2 hours before and apologized because she had something important to take care of, BUT she rescheduled. So, next time we met, and it was fun times. Built attraction, and after the meeting she wanted to reschedule again, so we did. She flaked a 2nd and 3rd time on me, always apologizing and always rescheduling. We met again, took her home, made out with her, but she was afraid of sex. I was ok with that. She left with a big smile on her face, but feeling a bit akward i guess due to the fact that we had just been making out and her dry humpin me for an hour but exits with a "cya" as if she had just met me. Anyway, thats when it all started. That same week, she ditched me a 5th time and I stopped talking to her, so she drove to my house and apologized in person. That night, she spent 60 bucks on a cab just to come see me DJ, but, for some reason was very jealous of all the girls dancing in the booth so she left with an attitude. You know.. the whole "oh i didnt wanna bother you and the girls dancing" attitude.
She called me after i was done work and i explained to her "its part of my job, those girls mean nothing to me bla bla bla", i cold hear her smerk on the phone, i guess she was liking what she was hearing.

quick note here: even though i was getting ditched, this girl would constantly ditch me and tell me things like "i wish i was in ur bed with u right now" or "can i sleep over tommorow?"... but would never sleep over..

Anyhow.. From that day forward, we rescheduled to see eachother before xmas. I got ditched again. Then the week of xmas, we reschedule and the girl actually says "i really wanna see u tommorow...can we do tommorow instead of wednesday?"
Me, thinking "well she did pay 60 bucks to see me, i guess i can make an exception here", so i agree.
guess what, got ditched again..
Since then, she barely texts me, and when she does, its like shes a completely different person. I mean one cold hearted bitch. As if she is god's gift to men and as if she uses me for attention or something.

So to conclude here, i stopped texting her 5 days ago. "happy new year handsome" was the text i got from her on new years, kinda just answered "u too".
And last night I just put a stop to everything when she texted me with self loathing bullsh1t. I literally just busted her balls "you just love the attention dont ya? ", her response "oh ya totally, but didnt u get my joke???" , Myself: "yup. u better smarten up tho", her "i do what i waaaaanT" , myself: "awe how cute uve been using that attitude since u were two years old. You didnt get away with it then, and certainly arent getting away with it now." , her: "hmmm feisty boy" , myself: " u have no idea , gotta run now ttyl" , her: "peace out boy scout"

So after you guys get the picture here of what shes pulling, my question is, is this the best way to go about doing things or should i be handling her another way? I mean, i really dont have an idea at this moment if I should just ignore her for a couple of days or if I should re engage in conversation...

any input would be appreciated.

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Girls will always flake, you need to handle it with a better and more dominant mentality.

For instance, after the second time she flaked, you only made it clear to her that you were somewhat desperate by willingly rescheduling on her terms. After a girl flakes, you must let HER take the initiative in rescheduling, and then flake or yourself or make it difficult.

Girl: "Hey I can't make it today =["
You: "Gay."

2 days later...

Girl: "Hey can we reschedule?"
You: "Maybe"
Girl: "lol what?"
You: "GQ just called, they want an interview. If I'm free this week...then maybe"
Girl: "Ok how about wednesday?"
You: "Can't"
Girl: "Tuesday?"
You: "8:00"

You MUST give off the impression that you are a PRESELECTED male, that OTHER girls want you, that you DON'T have time to entertain a girl's ploy for attention. That you're too busy trying to take over the world or digging graves for your enemies.

The DJ thing went TERRIBLY wrong. She's not even a girlfriend, why are you already claiming exclusivity? You had the complete wrong idea, girls are NOT going to like you more if you act righteous, you were exercising a MISPLACED LOYALTY. Before you actively claim exclusivity with a girl, she WANTS you to be exercising your options, she WANTS to know that other women want you. Women want men that other women want to fuck and that other men want to be like. You should've played it off casually like "Relax, you'd have the top spot at my harem." You need to have a cool as fuck mentality, one that emanates with confidence and state control, not desperation and "not knowing what to do."

The x-mas thing was again handled wrong. The trick in being an asshole is to be an UNCARING asshole NOT a CARING asshole. If your words carry malicious intent or spite, you will fail. You need to practice Amused-Mastery, Aloof-Dominance. Be detached, indifference, disinterested.

In addition, she KNEW you were being short and abrupt because you were pissed at her. That doesn't make you Alpha, that makes you a sulking beta. Her shit test was designed to see if it could break you, and it did. It should've gone more like:

Her: happy New Years Handsome
You (replying 30 min late): Hey Happy New Years, what're ya doing
Her: Partying! You?
You: With my girlfriend, spending it together.

She will follow-up trying to hang out with you later. When she asks about your gf, just nod nonchalantly and say "ehh...its complicated."

Lie if you don't have one. I'm sure people will post below denouncing this idea but seriously, it works. If you go out to a club pretending to be married with a ring on your index finger, it gives you control over women like the One Ring of Power.

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thanks for the response. Had a feeling it would be that, what threads would u recommend i read about all the techniques u mentioned i should apply?

also, those last texts i sent, do they convey what u were talking about? and if so, if u were in my place what would be ur next step?

thanks for the input so far, i appreciate it


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thanks for the response. Had a feeling it would be that, what threads would u recommend i read about all the techniques u mentioned i should apply?

also, those last texts i sent, do they convey what u were talking about? and if so, if u were in my place what would be ur next step?

thanks for the input so far, i appreciate it

Hi enigma2win, What is your goal, have sex or a relationship?

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the objective is sex


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Girls will always flake, you need to handle it with a better and more dominant mentality.

For instance, after the second time she flaked, you only made it clear to her that you were somewhat desperate by willingly rescheduling on her terms. After a girl flakes, you must let HER take the initiative in rescheduling, and then flake or yourself or make it difficult.

Girl: "Hey I can't make it today =["
You: "Gay."

2 days later...

Girl: "Hey can we reschedule?"
You: "Maybe"
Girl: "lol what?"
You: "GQ just called, they want an interview. If I'm free this week...then maybe"
Girl: "Ok how about wednesday?"
You: "Can't"
Girl: "Tuesday?"
You: "8:00"

You MUST give off the impression that you are a PRESELECTED male, that OTHER girls want you, that you DON'T have time to entertain a girl's ploy for attention. That you're too busy trying to take over the world or digging graves for your enemies.

The DJ thing went TERRIBLY wrong. She's not even a girlfriend, why are you already claiming exclusivity? You had the complete wrong idea, girls are NOT going to like you more if you act righteous, you were exercising a MISPLACED LOYALTY. Before you actively claim exclusivity with a girl, she WANTS you to be exercising your options, she WANTS to know that other women want you. Women want men that other women want to fuck and that other men want to be like. You should've played it off casually like "Relax, you'd have the top spot at my harem." You need to have a cool as fuck mentality, one that emanates with confidence and state control, not desperation and "not knowing what to do."

The x-mas thing was again handled wrong. The trick in being an asshole is to be an UNCARING asshole NOT a CARING asshole. If your words carry malicious intent or spite, you will fail. You need to practice Amused-Mastery, Aloof-Dominance. Be detached, indifference, disinterested.

In addition, she KNEW you were being short and abrupt because you were pissed at her. That doesn't make you Alpha, that makes you a sulking beta. Her shit test was designed to see if it could break you, and it did. It should've gone more like:

Her: happy New Years Handsome
You (replying 30 min late): Hey Happy New Years, what're ya doing
Her: Partying! You?
You: With my girlfriend, spending it together.

She will follow-up trying to hang out with you later. When she asks about your gf, just nod nonchalantly and say "ehh...its complicated."

Lie if you don't have one. I'm sure people will post below denouncing this idea but seriously, it works. If you go out to a club pretending to be married with a ring on your index finger, it gives you control over women like the One Ring of Power.
I have to agree with your analysis. I allowed a 20 y.o. girl to string me along (I'm in my 30s) throughout the summer by making myself too available/accommodating to HER schedule. Often we'd have plans to hangout later in the week, only for her to text me "hey, let's hangout tonight instead" and all too often I'd make myself available (despite putting up token resistance).

If you make plans with a girl, and she flakes, DO NOT, I repeat, DO NOT lose your cool. DO NOT agree to meet her if she tells you she'll meet you earlier instead as this infers compliance and is an extreme DLV. Think to yourself how would a mack daddy Alpha male react? He wouldn't even skip a beat if she flaked out - instead he'd be like "ok babe, we'll do this shit some other time" and go about his business. The more you give influence to her backing out of plans (e.g. confronting her as to why she's backing out, showing your disapproval directly etc..), the more she'll see she's in control.


I know you may really really like this girl, but understand that being REACTIVE to her and entering her world (rather than having her enter yours), she will lose her attraction for you. When she flakes (and she will, every woman does), you simply punish her in the sense of making yourself less available to her WITHOUT chastising her (a girl will eventually stop contacting you if you make her feel bad about things). So basically, the idea here is to punish her without making it look like you're seeking retribution/revenge for her flakiness. So instead of "wow, if I flaked on you like that you'd be choked!", you react like a cool customer and tell her "k, c u some other time, have a good night". When she tries to make plans with you, be nice but just don't make yourself readily available (just tell her you're busy during the week but perhaps the weekend will be good, as an example).


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Hey everyone, I'll try and keep this as short and direct as possible.
Three weeks ago I met this girl at the club I work at. Hot girl and seemed like a very good sport. I got her number, spoke to her a bit via text messages and we scheduled the next day at the coffee shop. She flaked 2 hours before and apologized because she had something important to take care of, BUT she rescheduled.

Shit happens, maybe her cat died, maybe she had to go help a friend in need, whatever... I'd give her the benefit of the doubt if it's the first time.

So, next time we met, and it was fun times. Built attraction, and after the meeting she wanted to reschedule again, so we did. She flaked a 2nd and 3rd time on me, always apologizing and always rescheduling.

Talk is cheap, apologies included particularly if they aren't backed up with action. She's a repeat flake offender and knows she can bat her eye lashes and give you a false apology and keep you on the line. I wouldn't have allowed her to reschedule, but rather told her "Hey this week is kinda up in the air right now, give me a shout on the weekend and we'll figure shit out then"; this shows you aren't going to play her game of cat and mouse. By flaking and rescheduling she's testing how much you'll comply and ultimately trying to take control of things.

We met again, took her home, made out with her, but she was afraid of sex. I was ok with that. She left with a big smile on her face, but feeling a bit akward i guess due to the fact that we had just been making out and her dry humpin me for an hour but exits with a "cya" as if she had just met me.

Fuckin tease. You need to get her ridiculous horned out and back the fuck off of her, she'll go bananas, guaranteed. Turn that shit around! Start flexing your sexual prowess, own your masculinity get girls so turned on and then back off, do what they're accustomed to doing to guys all the time. Flip that shit.

Anyway, thats when it all started. That same week, she ditched me a 5th time and I stopped talking to her, so she drove to my house and apologized in person. That night, she spent 60 bucks on a cab just to come see me DJ, but, for some reason was very jealous of all the girls dancing in the booth so she left with an attitude.

You being surrounded by women = pre-selection, and was a clear indicator that you can have other women. This drove your value up in her mind (DHV), and his her jealousy circuits. I wouldn't have apologized for this, that's her issue, not yours. Let her sweat it out and want you more, don't capitulate or placate, fuck that noise! Don't do this again, next time play it to your advantage with a cocky funny response or simply ignore it.

You know.. the whole "oh i didnt wanna bother you and the girls dancing" attitude.
She called me after i was done work and i explained to her "its part of my job, those girls mean nothing to me bla bla bla", i cold hear her smerk on the phone, i guess she was liking what she was hearing.

You failed her test here. Also, why are u rewarding her letting her know she's the one when she hasn't worked to earn this from you? $60 cab ride doesn't justify you telling her this.

quick note here: even though i was getting ditched, this girl would constantly ditch me and tell me things like "i wish i was in ur bed with u right now" or "can i sleep over tommorow?"... but would never sleep over..

Talk is cheap. "I wish this, I wish that.." who fucking cares at the end of the night she's not in your bed and it's not as though she can't make this a reality - had no problem cabbing to your place unannounced before. Read between the lines homeboy. Standard push/pull nonesense ditching out and implicitly saying she sexually desires you and wants to be near you


Anyhow.. From that day forward, we rescheduled to see eachother before xmas. I got ditched again. Then the week of xmas, we reschedule and the girl actually says "i really wanna see u tommorow...can we do tommorow instead of wednesday?"
Me, thinking "well she did pay 60 bucks to see me, i guess i can make an exception here", so i agree.
guess what, got ditched again..

Don't ever agree to see her again on her terms, until the girl is actually your girlfriend but even still do so sparingly. Basically she said "jump through this hoop" and you willingly jumped through it. If you read my above comment you'll see I did the same with this girl, and did it all too many times and it was so transparent she was the one in complete control - a 95lb 5'0 girl controlling me, a muscular 5'10 190 lb bodybuilder. Ugh!

Since then, she barely texts me, and when she does, its like shes a completely different person. I mean one cold hearted bitch. As if she is god's gift to men and as if she uses me for attention or something.

So to conclude here, i stopped texting her 5 days ago. "happy new year handsome" was the text i got from her on new years, kinda just answered "u too".
And last night I just put a stop to everything when she texted me with self loathing bullsh1t. I literally just busted her balls "you just love the attention dont ya? ", her response "oh ya totally, but didnt u get my joke???" , Myself: "yup. u better smarten up tho", her "i do what i waaaaanT" , myself: "awe how cute uve been using that attitude since u were two years old. You didnt get away with it then, and certainly arent getting away with it now." , her: "hmmm feisty boy" , myself: " u have no idea , gotta run now ttyl" , her: "peace out boy scout"

Good for calling her out on her bs.

So after you guys get the picture here of what shes pulling, my question is, is this the best way to go about doing things or should i be handling her another way? I mean, i really dont have an idea at this moment if I should just ignore her for a couple of days or if I should re engage in conversation...

any input would be appreciated.

thanks guys.
In terms as to what you should do, well that depends on what you want from this girl. She's flaked so many times, and so early into things, is this a person you truly want to pursue? And if so, why (is this just a case of one-nitis)? Be honest with yourself and define your objective.

It seems as though she does something such as flake, freakout about you being surrounded by girls, and then try to rectify by an apology or being self-loathing. Misbehavior, in and of itself, as well as self-loathing are behaviors that are intended to garner attention from others. Self-loathing comments such as "I'm such an ass!" are validation seeking statements. If you value you the person you'll often make excuses for them as well as normalize their behavior with a response like "You aren't an ass, we are all entitled to make mistakes sometimes, its cool".

Freezing her out will likely result in her loss of interest as she'll seek the attention of another guy who'll supplicate her. Quite honestly, she sounds as though she's not ready for a mature relationship and instead needs somebody to validate her. You need to therefore ask yourself if you want to be that someone.


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Finally, an answer straight to the point and well analyzed.
Sucks that you went through something similar, but it seems you've got it all figured out which is great!

As for this one, I gotta hand it to you, the case WAS i made myself too available for this one and not because of one-itis but because of the whole "nice girl"/"fresh out of relationship" persona she transmitted, so i acted without thinking.

Being a resident DJ I never have problems with girls, but due to some tracks ive been producing for the past month, I've shut out girls and concentrated on sitting in the studio working, which as it seems has made me oblivious for a moment there. It is totally an ego problem, first time in a long while I've been played and not the other way around, so it shakes my world up a bit, aint that ironic. Such bullshit.

Anyway, thanks for opening up my eyes. Very refreshing.

As for you question, here my answer:

Due to this ego problem, I feel compelled to having sex with her and moving on, or having sex with a friend of hers, her knowing about it and THEN moving on.
But for now, I realize that if I would like to get that far, I'll have to not give a rats ass about her and live life. I'm sure there will be a moment that she will be back at the club i work at, and I'll be having fun with other girls. At that point if I'm still interested I can carry out one of those plans i mentioned earlier. Simply put, she's young and immature, so she might just get sloppy and I might just get that chance in the future. Until then, I want nothing from this crazy girl.


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Everyones advice is spot on for improving yourself...outside of this chick. I understand that you like/want her cause she is making it difficult to get her and you fumbled most of the chase. Counter point to all of this is you are a DJ that works at a club so getting sex shouldn't be all that complicated or difficult. Drop the ego thing of having to sleep with her or one of her friends to get back at her. Actually go out and get someone else and if she is around make sure she knows but don't put up with her second class behavior another minute cause the pursuit is prob not worth the prize.


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Finally, an answer straight to the point and well analyzed.
Sucks that you went through something similar, but it seems you've got it all figured out which is great!

As for this one, I gotta hand it to you, the case WAS i made myself too available for this one and not because of one-itis but because of the whole "nice girl"/"fresh out of relationship" persona she transmitted, so i acted without thinking.

Being a resident DJ I never have problems with girls, but due to some tracks ive been producing for the past month, I've shut out girls and concentrated on sitting in the studio working, which as it seems has made me oblivious for a moment there. It is totally an ego problem, first time in a long while I've been played and not the other way around, so it shakes my world up a bit, aint that ironic. Such bullshit.

Anyway, thanks for opening up my eyes. Very refreshing.

As for you question, here my answer:

Due to this ego problem, I feel compelled to having sex with her and moving on, or having sex with a friend of hers, her knowing about it and THEN moving on.
But for now, I realize that if I would like to get that far, I'll have to not give a rats ass about her and live life. I'm sure there will be a moment that she will be back at the club i work at, and I'll be having fun with other girls. At that point if I'm still interested I can carry out one of those plans i mentioned earlier. Simply put, she's young and immature, so she might just get sloppy and I might just get that chance in the future. Until then, I want nothing from this crazy girl.
You can't fuck her, you've caught emotions for her (ya, I say it as though it were a virus). Even seeing her will likely stir shit up for you. Only once the 'virus' subsides can you even begin thinking about bagging her, but really she's not even worth the effort. I'd say go bag some young ho from the club, but you aren't in this for a quick lay. The vindictive part of you wants to sleep with this girl (or her friend) as a way to DOMINATE her and through the process satiate your bruised ego. You feel she took something from you, your PRIDE, and you want to reap vengeance upon her. She makes you feel small right now so your first inclination is to re-assert your masculinity by conquering her sexually. You're well aware you allowed yourself to be strung along for a bit of an emotional ride, now you want retribution.

Don't hold her responsible, look at yourself. It's important you don't blame yourself as that only holds you in the past, but rather take it as a learning experience and don't repeat it.


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spot on once again.
u know how it is, u get played, u wanna win that pride back, but its too late.
ah well, shit happens.
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