Guys seriously..if any one of you people say that material doesn't work. You clearly have NO experience in field. To 40 year old virgins: you have no experience in field. Sorry but you talk a lot and yet..you say nothing. This pick up thing is much bigger than picking up girls. You do not look like an idiot in a club when you make DHV stories or palm reading. It's the most impressive thing, on the contrary. I go out 3 times a week and I'm telling you..exception of the rule is gold. All the other douchebags are in set, when I come in with my material they're out man and really fast. These are the tools of the trade if you want results. The goal to the community is to make your best self and not just be yourself. A lot of people or not themselves when they're around beautiful women. Having the skill to chat up a girl who's shopping in the same store as you and who's perfect type is really something everyone should develop. Grow some balls dude stop being a pussy and be a dick. I'm sure you're just too scared to even try approaching that's why you think this stuff don't work. Well I got news for you..you're wrong man..and only experience can teach you what I'm saying. I'm living proof that this stuff works just go read my journal and see my progress...go read like the 3rd report and go read my latest..we'll see what you have to say. Stop criticizing everything and go out to improve your skill

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Okay first of all,EVERYBODY is entitled to their opinion! so heres mine :
Do i think PUA material is shit and all for naught? NO FRIKIN WAY!
now youre coming accross like one of those "I believed in the magic of the AD" guys (as i call em) They watch those ads where guys put on cologne and then women gravitate towards em.Then they buy the same cologne and when nothing happens they start bashing the product and shit (lol believe me,those guys exist). Hypertheticaly Speakin, you got introduced to PUA stuff,tried it and it didnt go so well,now your like "Thats all crap i tried it,and it doesnt work" rite? Well dude it does work maybe not all the time but it does.Becoming a PUA isnt a GUARANTEE that youre gonna get every hot girl out there.. It INCREASE your chances,It improves your social skills,the way you interact with people,youre more aware then before.Basicly it changes alot of things in ya life.

Ofcourse girls gota be attracted to you,you dont have ta be a model or anything,but you also cant go lookin like a dry slice of bread and expect to get the girl,Thats why building a GREAT AVATAR is such an important thing for the less attractive guys. Failure is a stepping stone to success bro!

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well i wasnt sure if i could respond, I logged on two days ago and saw that i was banned, then I logged in 5 minutes later and was back on, then 5 minutes after that, banned again.

If they want me banned...i'll gladly go, but im not sure what their intention was.

Anyway, Valyntyne, no need to be "sorry" . To say I have no experience in the field is pretty silly, Ive lived a life. Ive known rejection and i've known acceptance, everybody has.

I have been exposed to PUA stuff for a long time, new generations of PUA gurus pop up and as long as guys have penises, this is always goign to be a big seller.

I remember when I was about 10 in the late 70's, "whats your sign" was the greatest pickuo line of all time. Of course, it lasted only a short time but a few women may have fell for it.

U say Im too scared to approach, cmon dude, ive been approaching women since like forever. its not that frightening anymore. but being scared to approach women is part of our DNA. Back in caveman times, if u approached a woman who didnt want you, you either got beat up or killed by other cavemen, or you were the victim of stone age cyber bullying, where that chick told everybody she knew what a loser and lame ass loser you were.

Thats why we are afraid of it. But as you say, it doesnt need to be THAT bad, we can condition ourselves a bit.

Yes, your living proof this stuff works....everybody online is living proof.

I have gone out looking for women with people who claim to have mastered this stuff. Alot of times they were able to break the ice, and then when I got talking to them, I came with a "aint this guy a frikon idiot" approach and alot of times the girl would laugh and hang with me.

again, if they like u, u can say nothing, if they dont they wont agree with one thing u say.

sure it increases your chances, so does asking 100 women to sleep with you. 1 might.

even if it works, im sure some does to some extent, it's a total lifestyle makeover, it would require tremendous amount of crafting and skill to master it.

Now assuming you have a job, a career, a mortgage to pay, tv shows to watch, music to listen to, snow to shovel, grass to mow, school to attend, then all of that is going to suffer.

U will spend every waking moment thinking about "game"

Theres more to life than picking uo women. I know its hard to believe

Living a life is not field experience. I bet you didn't go out with the goal to approach women each day of your life. Therefore your experience must not be a lot. 90% of people live a life without making intentional approaches..put them in a club and tell them "approach" we'll see what experience they learned from they're "life". Living life may get you experience in maybe being good with women once you know them. But having the skills to approach someone you never know and build attraction, comfort and seduction requires field practice. And no not everybody online is living proof. Not everybody online goes out like I go out..3 times each week and didn't give up. I know a lot of people start this they give up after 2 months. And maybe your people who claim to have mastered this stuff were just idiots who thought they did so. You told me your self..they just broke the ice. Broking the ice is not a skill anyone can do that. The skill is the ability to break the ice and ultimately close your target. And again..you have no experience in field..if they dont like you you cant do nothing? You're wrong..so manyy times girls gave me a hard time and I still ended with a close from them..this is just a lame ass excuse. Yeah of course if you want just eject..but I like to improve every aspect of my game..I wont eject..and yeah I closed girls who "didn't like me at first".

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fair enough. But I think You're seeing life through PUA blinders. You seem to think the only way people ever hook up is through building attraction, comfort and seduction is the only way.

You may have experience in PUA material, but I know plenty of guys who can score more chicks than u simply by walking into a room.

U may believe that women dont care about looks, or money, or careers, or height, weight, and baldness, that all u have to do is create attraction by making them think u are something u are not (somebody of high social status...particulary when u are not"

lets see what you PUA experience does for you against a tall handsome wealthy business man. women will not only be immediately attracted to him, they will line up for chances to talk to him.

As i have deduced before, PUA stuff works to help u get women in your own league.

Im not going to knock myself learning this stuff to get women I can already get by walking up and saying hi.

I think thats where the delusion is. For a geeky guy who never had a woman before ANY woman who gives him the time of day is an improvement, and for him it might work.

Wow perfect! I have the best to reply to this. Dude..I don't want to brag..but I'm much more than the average guy good looking. I have always been complimented by girls..I even get approached by girls at bars and clubs...if I would take out a list of how many girls were after me in my hole life (and I'm only 19..soon 20)..you'll be blown away. I'm also rich and yeah I go to the best universities and all that stuff you say you just have to say hi and any women will want to sleep with you. Now here's your problem. You say what can I do against a tall handsome wealthy business man?? Well..he surely doesn't have game...I on the other hand I'm good looking and all that shit too, but I..got game my friend. And I..will get the girl. The wealthy business good looking guy is just going to brag and do the same lame ass bragging stuff he does to every women. Put a good looking PUA near him..he's gone. That's why you need to develop game. You say looks matter. Ok cool your opinion. But what do you do when you compete against another good looking guy? Ouch...what will make the difference between him or you? The answer is simple: you know how to attract, seduce and fuck like a pro..the guy really doesn't have a lot of chances. Think about it.

Looks + Game in women and only Looks

do you really think the other guy has a chance??

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yeah but remember, in real life u dont demonstrate game by saying u have it, like u are doing here.

U might have a grasp on this whats being said here, but thats "game": according to how puas define it. Most guys with game dont even know they have game.

I am a pretty good looking dude, not model, but good looking, Im only 5 8 which hurts, but im certainly not saying that women worship me.

But some of my lifelong friends were good looking guys who used to piss me the fuck off, they wouldnt even do anything, and women just stopped in their tracks and talked to them,

I know first hand how shallow women can be. Just watch Jersey shore to see how shallow women are, Not that those chicks are what a guy dreams of, but they want the best looking, tall, muscualr guys they can get. and they can chooze cause guys are more needy than them.

I recall one episode where the girls were into these two guys sitting across from them at an outside cafe. then the guys took their glasses off, and they turned away from them saying wow who knew how busted looking he would be

I can appreciate building confidience of people, I dont hate on a guy trying his best, but Im a realist too, I have seen what women want, they want it all.

Of course, as ive stated, women in your own league can be gotten anyway

This tread is worthless. I'm sorry I don't want to offense you. I had both worlds..I had the good looking thing and approached by girls..girls talking everywhere about me that I'm hot bla bla and all that.. and when I learn some game structure it just a hole different level on a hole different scale. It's much better. You can't understand because you rely more on looks.. and that I did before too. But in field I learned that this is the most common mistake anyone can do. I learned to make looks a + in my flirting tools..but not to rely on it. That's how you get the 9's and 10's. Read my quote. "We (pua's) see the Matrix, you don't" It's likely possible for you to not understand this

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Making sense never seems to make sense does it.

as i said anybody can claim anything online

Show me the video tape of u scoring a 10

Don't you understand man? It makes sense because I am a good looking guy. I've been in both situations. The situation where I relied on my looks...and the situation where I'm now..where I don't rely on looks and rely more on game. I get much more girls now period. Why? Because looks can only get you so far. Hahaha this is so funny you really think you approach a 10 by saying: "Hey I'm a business man! Look at my ferrari" She doesn't give a fuck man if you're a little pussy but have money. Women are hardwired to mate with a man who ensures her survival and replication. Does she give a shit when you first meet her if you have a ferrari or a lamborghini?? No man. A 10 gets hit on 10 to 15 times a day. I dare you approach a SOLID 10 who gets hit on each and every day...by saying Hi I'm a business man..want to give me your number? This is pure comedy..go watch some serious in field video footages of guys showing how to pick up. You'll see how this is done

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I want to see u do it, not them.

Yes 10's get hit on all the time, u do need to be different around them. But u better have something amazing to offer her. Im not convinced you do LOLLLLL

Again you talk so much but you don't say nothing to prove your point. This thread isnt about me my friend. We're not debating my ability to pick up 10's who gives a shit about my ability. This thread is about you saying pua stuff don't work when you're wrong because all of the reasons I mentioned Last time I post here

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wait a minute here. Most guys know how it is with women.

So if u got a new way the burden of proof is on you. U are defending the pua community, im disputing it.

Im not making the claims u are.

Show me the 10's u have picked up by using these methods.

Being rich and having a good look is an advantage which makes your game easier. But I don't think that you can get chicks by only being rich and having a good look. Of course you will get chicks. But I don't think they will like you in the long run.

My friend had 2 girlfriends in less than a month, I asked them both for the reasons why they break up with him. And they both responded that he didn't make them laugh, he didn't talk often, all he did was looking good, nothing else.

As you can can see, in the long run they won't like you anymore. A girl want a gentleman as a boyfriend, not just a rich and a good looking guy, if you think that thats the best way to get chicks on then your truly out of your mind. You will find whores instead of chicks, a real girl won't like you because your rich. She will like you for your personality and of course the way you look.

But I do agree that some of the PUA stuff like magic tricks aren't our style. If I ever showed magic tricks to a girl in a club, I would feel like a clown. But you have to understand that it actually works for some people.