I have a decent guideline I generally follow for compliments.

I'm allowed to compliment girls who are not my target, and I'm allowed to compliment my target after I kiss close.

If I'm complimenting non-targets, it's generally on their sense of dress, their particular flavor of sarcasm, or something similar. I would never use a word like "pretty" or "beautiful" on a non-target.

If I'm complimenting a target, I like to do it at an emotional peak. After the first kiss, I might leave my hand around her ear, and say, "You should smile more, it's pretty." then kiss again.

It depends...

If you've known a girl and you've banged her already, don't fear going high on the corny-o-meter. Even the girls who should be comfortable with you by now, will often fall back to their insecure shit and go, "You're just saying that. . . " or "Seriously? . . ." A stare, a nod, and a smile finishes it.

If you're opening a stranger with a compliment, be aware of the corny cliche's using the passive voice - "You are this, you are that. You look like this. You look like that."

"Seriously? I have such a beautiful _______ that you just recited a piece from a b movie?" - And I don't this has anything to do with a girl being a bitch or not. Some will tell you, "thank you . . ." but they'll still start whirling their BS radars.

Better ideas for compliments in the opening/ near opening phase.

1. Over the top: Somebody posted this on a 'stupid openers' thread a while back and I've done this several times. Stare at her tits for a few seconds and when she notices, briefly look up but go back to her tits and say, "Wow, you have beautiful eyes. . . " Do you know how much work goes into primping ONLY their tits? How they hell would you compliment her tits without being totally creepy? That's right, it's to be OBVIOUSLY creepy . . .and funny. If she gives you the nervous laugh, you're in; just converse. (But she knows it's out there . . . all she wants to know at this point is that you're not a psycho killer) Otherwise, if she laughs her ass off, it's an invite to push it even further. Go sexual right away.

2. The 'active' compliment: The problem with passive compliments is that they do nothing for her emotions. Really? I'm so hot, you're reciting something out of a magazine? This is where the direct guys really get it right. Instead of sitting there like a poetry reciting monkey, they demonstrate what that sexy body does for them. But it doesn't always have to be sex related. It's far better to, "Alright, what do you play? I'm a drummer. Let's do this," than to tell her, "You look like a rock star, blah, blah, blah." Better to hold her hands, feel them, and tell her, "Well, you're certainly not a manual laborer," than to just shake hands and tell her, "You have soft hands. . . "

@ Slip N Slide awesome advice
@ kasbi lol I loved your first example but are sure stareing at her tits won't get me slapped haha?

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Only if you're a movie star while acting in a movie. I was about to write that I've never been slapped ever in my life but now you just made me remember something. I got slapped when this girl jokingly made some smart comments and I 'jokingly' grabbed her mouth as if I was muzzling her. Her hand hit me before she even realized she tossed it. Odd moment of silence.

I can't seem to find that thread but the purpose of it was "over the top stupid openers that never work." While reading through it though, there was definitely some material that was so over the top corny and funny that it had to crack some laughs. The other one I tried from that thread was to compliment her shirt/top but before she says anything, I'd go "let me see . . . " and reach for the label on her back. Then you read out, "Yup . . . just as I thought, made in Heaven." - You might get an upper arm slap like, "you're a dope, get outta here," but no slaps across the face . . .

Hahaha its post like these that make you one of my favorites kasbi
I won't use your exact words but i'll try this out sometimes, thanks

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"The bird sets itself on fire… and in the embers is an egg. In order to do great things, you've got to recreate yourself again ,and you can’t do that holding to a glory or a failure from yesterday. "

I'm not sure why people say compliments are bad, or that they'll put you immediately into the friendzone, but that's definitely not true.

So long as you sexually escalate, you'll never be friendzoned. And also bitches love compliments, so give it to them. They've taken time to look good, so why not reward it?.

And as for your reference to Mystery method, that method will probably get you friendzoned more than most methods. Because Mystery method lacks anything to do with real escalation.

All mystery method does is Justify a reason for a woman to talk to you. DHV all you want, Neg if you want to. But In the end, She has all the reasons the fuck you, EXCEPT she doesn't want to. She ain't horny because your "preselected", she ain't horny because your "High Value". You need to turn her on by being sexual.

Compliments should be used, I mean why not? Much better than a neg. People misinterpret Compliments with being needy. You ain't saying it because your hoping she will suck you off. Your saying it genuinely because it's genuinely what you think. If you want to use Mystery terms it's "giving value", and I'm also pretty sure, MM terms says that only "Alpha High Value" people will "give value".

Go ahead and compliment, but I say moderate them, It builds comfort and rapport, and attraction because your "high value". Just sexually escalate. Take a look at Chief's Sexual SFT on his guide stickied in the lounge.

No

This again is the 60 YoC hype that's becoming pandemic around these boards and brainwashing people that the only game is no-game. Immediate sexual escalation, while it can be effective, is not game, its gambit. Mystery has good game especially for 9's and 10's, that's not debatable, but its a highly coquetting style of game. It takes more work then I like to put in, but it is effective. I use a balance approach to game with a mix of high end and low end game.

If you are getting friend-zoned off Mystery Method then your A2-A3 sucks. don't blame the game, blame the player.