If any of it works, its cause instead of whimping out, u went up and talked to a girl.

But the vast majority of PUA shit is just that.

right?

No.

Well belief is half the battle. U wanna believe it so u do. look up miracle cures and the placebo effect.

Why do you think it doesn't work?

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honestly guys , just take the practical things out of this advice . The rest is over analyzed

This thread definitely has some validity

I don't have to look them up, I know what they are.

While we are at it, using your reasoning, maybe you don't want to believe it, so you don't?

This stuff and this forum helps many people, that makes it real enough for me and many others. Learning how to go up and chat with girls is the most important part of it, right, but I wouldn't call the rest "shit as it is".

Nothing works if you don't believe in it. Read the Game by Neil Strauss. He quotes, "You believe something works even if it's really lame, it'll work."

Believing in something is very powerful. Just like believing in God is a very helping 'cause when at times, we struggle and we pray to God, we get some sorta energy from our prayers and that's the power of believing in something.

Plus, being good getting women is just one of man's spec. Be flexible, unaffected by what others thing of your doings 'cause you don't have to. Does it affect you in any way. I don't think so. Nevertheless always be open to what people's comments, criticism, think about it in your head, fix it if you want.

Hey, if something doesn't work. Try and try it differently and the results will be different. And when ever you fail, you learn more. Knowledge is good. right?

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u dont know that it works for anybody u go by what u are told.

If it seemingly works for some, it may be that those guys had something natural that attracted women to them.

I do know any canned routine, or high value stories, or plam reading, does not work in a club, u look like a frikon idiot in most cases, and u never get close enough to the woman target to work any magic on them.

U can study all the surveys and rheotorical questions used as openers as u will, but if the woman doesnt find you attractive, its all for naught.

It may work on women in your own league, but most of those women are ready to meet somebody like themselves anyway.

If it works, it should work on all women, 5's and 10 's

if u honestly feel that u can go out and get any woman beautiful woman u want, u are seriously delusional.

yes but the problem with belief in physical things happening from state of mind, or placebo effect, it wears off.

When somebody takes a medicine that they believe will work, it might work for a short time, but eventually reality takes over and the sugar pill no longer works.

besides, believing in something because u want something, can be very dangerous. Alot of people believed in Hitler, and some of the other deranged leaders

It's not just sharing opinion openers, it's not about magic tricks, it's not about palm reading, it's not about getting any and all women - it's about learning how to try well.

It's about learning the skills so you can try and get somebody you want and have good chances at it. The community helped many of us to be more like the people we want to be, it taught many of us how to get the courage to talk with women, and taught us ways to help ourselves succeed at whatever we want with those women. Feel free to read the diaries of the members and see how they are improving. I know it works, because I can see it working, helping my life, my friends' life, and the life of pretty much everyone on this forum, not because "I'm told". I know it because I am experiencing it, something you clearly do not do.

Judged by your posts, you have grossly overgeneralised beliefs about the community is and what it does, (like somebody who only watched the Vh1 show, and only read Mystery Method and The Game) and you seem to ignore every argument and question thrown in your way, so I could tell any way I want how it works, you will go "la la la" with your fingers in your ears and keep repeating that we are all phonies, and this whole thing that made our lives better is non-existent voodoo. One of your kind comes here and tells us the same thing every month or so.

That's all.

here is a copy of the threads here:

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it is actually ALL ABOUT what u say it isnt. Whatever one can do to get a womans attention. But if the woman doesnt want your attention, it aint helping any more than just walking up and talking.

Thats what most dont see, u cant meet women by standing around, so just by walking up to a woman, and getting the courgae to do it, u get better results than doing nothing.

but it has nothing to do with the gimmicks presented here

I feel like you are purposefully misunderstanding everything you read. Walking up to a woman and being better people is part of it, and everything else you say and do after is also part of it - but it's more like the fine-tuning, and not the engine, but if you don't want to rely on luck, it's stuff that's good to know.

And what do you mean "if a woman doesn't want your attention"? If they are in a bar in a tight dress, all dolled up, and playing with the umbrella in their drinks, they are just waiting for you to approach. Hell, even girls in the mall with bags in both hands are happy to stop and talk with you. If you don't look like a hobo, don't use sleazy pickup lines, and the girl isn't a huge, huge bitch, she will most likely talk to you and give you a chance. What we learn here is how to make use of that chance as well as we possibly can.

And as for "talking to women is much better than doing nothing" - That's fucking obvious. Where did you read we do nothing? Many of us approach many women daily, even the beginners.

By arguing with your stupidity, I'm giving it the credit of being worthy to argue with, so I'll let somebody else handle you now.

Read what I said before you reply dude. I'm talking about one thing and you saying the exact opposite. Makes no sense to me at all.

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listen man, alot of material helps you begin on a path that had worked for someone else, I know what you are saying, but you are missing that there is alot of value from some of the material that is inside the comunity, sure if you have alot of external factors helping you out you will do much better then someone who is lacking in those factors, sure if you are already socially skilled some of this stuff is just common sense, and yes some girls will reject you no matter what you do or say just based on shallow values, some other girls will actually reject guys that meet their shallow external needs but are emotionally un-attractive and boring/needy, but lets delve deep,

mystery method gives you a game plan and explains a simple model of how to successfully force start a social interaction, and alot of what is in the method is extremely true to social dynamics, people don't want to invest in what they don't value, it has steps in order, and it can be re-though, and elborated on and taken to extremes to gain social status amoung your peers through nlp and manipulation all relating back to using a persons emotions agaisnt them,

enter set with no perception from the set on what your social standing is, just get them to hook you in for a bit of comfort between you a social meet and greet a'la let me get your opinion on this thing, next they are hooked in and you are semi comfortable with the group, now you throw a curve ball to get attention so that they pay attention and don't fuck with your stories and statements that are to come, (breaking rapport via neg) the neg gets the attention and possibly a negative emotional response, as long as you don't react and stack forward with value building routines that are congruent, you gain value, it is not even the ''dhv spikes'' that are in the story that get people interested it is just if the story is interesting and engaging and you tell a few of them, you by default and perseption must be an interesting and engaging person, it just happens the ''dhvs'' tend to grab peoples interest, next once they think there might be something to you people tend to seek rapport and show interest, this is really all you wanted from the start, now you can start manipulating and pushing and pulling, qualification over and over, bombing them with preferences and more random value, until you can tell they are in a nice emotional state, once you have full rapport, and they seem really engaged you just get some commonalities once you have some commonalities, WALAA you just infaltrated a social group and have a new friend, and if they find you attractive, a new girl friend all it takes to make the switch from friend to girlfriend if they are attracted is a little flirting mixed into your qualification and physical compliance testing, simple method for meeting new people and getting them to like you (with qualification you can basicly shape behavior around you with anyone that wants your approval and if you seem cool and valuable people will want your approval)

next, Direct Game, direct game is where everyone tends to leave off, you learn some theory understand you don't need anything special, then just start hitting on girls and being congruent with what you want, avoid being needy, seeking approval, and just work on the inner game, everynow and then maybe you pull out a trick or two when you know that it has worked in the past

next, 60 years of challenge, really simple and practical method, have a problem getting girls?, don't seek their approval, isolate, don't play it safe, make them horny and start qualifying from the start, this method in the way I read it seemed like it was designed to just seek out girls that already find you attractive and arouse them and go for the one nighter, seemed very similar to gunwitch method

other then that there are no other methods I really have read up on so I can not comment, but really if you go from, OH BOY IM A 42 YEAR OLD VIRGIN AND I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHERE TO START OR WHAT TO SAY, then having a game plan to start with from an e-book can be of great assistance, but the best thing you could ever possibly do, is go out, experience is the best teacher, and the community just helps you fine tune your social skills, reguardless, still in my opinion confidence will get you laid more then anything else, more then looks, more then money, more then having a wide social network, more then that fancy car, more then all the knowledge and ''competence'' you learned from e-books and youtube videos, confidence gives you the ability to go out and do what you want and believe in yourself, nothing ventured, nothing gained, and the best part about confidence is all you have to do to get it, is know you have it