here are some ideas, that could possibly help you

first off, lets talk about what primarily women tend to respond to, what seems to attract them to a guy, it seems that primarily it is status, status being a girl wants a guy, that she deems as important, the guy is important to her for what ever reason, maybe he is her ideal looking guy, he is super hot so she thinks he is important, maybe he is the most hilarious guy she has ever met he is super important to her because she loves to laugh, maybe he is important because she wants material things and he has a whole lot of money (this is the card you are playing), maybe he is important to her because he has so many social connections and she can meet up and socialize and go to alot of parties and social events because he can make that happen and that makes him important to her, maybe he came up to her and said or did something completely unique and special that she will remember for her whole life and just by doing that she thinks he is more special then all the other guys out there, it is the status that she considers you have, how important are you to her,

now with that in mind can you see how having an I'm happy with not being special and will sleep with anything attitude can work against you?,

the way you are thinking will always sub-communicate through your actions, when your thoughts and actions are in alignment this comes through congruently, if they are not in alignment there will be a noticeable incongruence, women want men who are congruently of high status to them

different women, value different things subjectively and will associate status based on what they value, value is subjective to the person, and the girl will usually just offer compliance high enough to sleep with you, just in order to maintain that value in her life, but there are a whole assortment of reasons a girl will sleep with you besides finding you valuable (obviously you have to at least be passable in some way)

good looks, authority and security, social connections, revenge, right time right place (it is that horny time of the month for her), you seem rich and maybe she can bf you, arousal past the point of no return, to beat another girl to prove she is better, charisma/personality

ok, now, out of that list, you might find it interesting to focus on arousal as your primary, you don't need money, you don't need model good looks (but you have to be physically passable for her), you don't need to be mr.1000 friends, you just have to get her talking to you, make her horny, and get her alone and go for it,

there are plenty of other ways to go about this, but this is one of the easiest ones, what does offering ''value'' get you, such as money and looks and social connections (social proof), and all that, it gains you compliance, and compliance is just her being ok with you doing what you want around her, when she talks to you, she is offering compliance on the level of allowing you to get her to speak to you, when you wave her over and say come here and she comes over, she is allowing you to lead her into minor tasks, when she doesn't back off when you touch her or hold her hand, she is allowing you to further lead her, every time you try to do something and she allows it, it is just showing that she more and more is thinking that you are valuable enough to offer up that much compliance, the compliance builds momentum, one small step at a time can add up to alot of steps taken and the situation ends up escalated past where you started, with even a somewhat low level of compliance, you can begin trying to alter her emotional state to that of arousal,

not sure of how to do this?

well for one there is a theory that suggests that neurons mirror each other, what you feel she feels, and the person with the strongest emotional strength will transfer their emotional state to the others person, in short, start off by getting horny for her, some people refer to this as sexual state,

next, get close to her and hold eye contact and make that comfortable for her, it will just naturally create more sexual tension, deliver sexual intent with your actions, touch her, turn her on, communicate physically in a way to turn her on, if you are thinking im getting more horny because of this, then it probably being done correctly, if you are thinking I am playing this safe she won't suspect anything, then you are doing exactly what you are thinking, stop playing it safe and risk getting rejected and having an awkward situation, the things you do that are the highest risk often offer the highest reward

lay down sexual frames, you can either joke around about sex, tell sex stories, drop in innuendos, flirt, mis-interperet what she says as sexual, just get her associating the interaction with sex in what ever manner you are familiar with and if you are not familiar with any way to do this, it is time to step outside of your comfort zone and learn to flirt/hit on girls, they want to get laid just as bad as you, maybe it is not with you, but every girl wants dick just like every guy wants pussy (with a few exceptions)


other ideas of things that you should most likely cover in conversations, you don't brag about hookups (you like to keep things secretive), sex is no big deal everyone likes sex and it is natural, you won't judge her for having sex with you all girls are amazing in their own way and it is not fair that girls can be called sluts for having sex while guys are praised, you are clean and free of stds, you dis-like people that allow their friends and family to run their lives (compare them to sheep)

FINALLY, when dealing with girls, stop expecting anything from them, you don't need to fuck every girl you meet, there are plenty of girls who will fuck you without you tracking them down day and night, and if they expect anything from you, MANAGE WHAT THEY EXPECT

start approaching more women, stop treating them as if they are so special to you, you are the special one she is an addition to your already great life, not something that completes it, she is not the thing that is missing, you do not have to impress her and get her approval, if she is not interested in following you (compliance), then there are millions of girls out there just as good or better that you can just go talk to, and the only thing that could possibly stop you is yourself

Pumpington, that was a great post. I don't expect that he'll take or use any of your practical advice though.

What pumpington just wrote about is basic theory, then the logistics to put it into play. Now excuse me for any rudeness, but I don't think you give a rat's ass.

You say "I think average girls are hot! I have a job, so they should come fuck me!! Make them come fuck me!"

Well I hate to break it to you, but that isn't how the world works. Believe it or not, people care about things more important than sex. And you'll never admit it, but there are so many things more important than sex.

You have a choice here. You don't need to listen to anything I said about developing hobbies, though they will make you a less needy, sex-deprived person, a more interesting conversationalist, and might introduce you to a cute girl now and again.

But if you want to get girls, you HAVE TO listen to what these guys are saying about social skills. And you have to do it so that people will genuinely appreciate you, and respect you. Because right now, I don't respect you. At all. I'm sure no one in your life does either.

Maybe someday you'll understand that there are beautiful things out in the world, sex not the most important of them.

Or, more likely, you'll grow old and bitter. Sad and alone. Despairing over your wasted life, and blaming the world. And most sad of all, you'll have no idea what you did wrong.

This is bullshit and you know it. If you honestly believe this then why are you even on this forum.

Because you guys seem to know the magical mysterious ways to get hot girls in bed, and I want to know what these excellent techniques are so that I can lose my virginity, get a girlfriend and become a normal happy, sexually satisfied person.

Thanks a lot for that, very useful stuff and I will try that.

What I don't understand though, is why on Earth do girls care so damn much about all that value & status bollocks? Why can't they just satisfy men's carnal desires without worrying about "Ooh, is he important & valuable? If he is I'll fall to my knees and worship him, but if he's not I'd better reject & cockblock him so he can't get sex and becomes miserable, depressed & suicidal"? Seems like women's only purpose in life is to worship hot guys and try to drive the rest of us, who are evidently sexually & romantically useless & inadequate, to suicide.

The whole purpose of the human species is procreation, i.e. men & women shagging each other. So why is it such a bloody infuriating challenge to do this most basic essential task?!

Hey man, I don't know how to get the hottest girls out there neither, but I do believe that some day I will. I know that it will probably take me a lot of time and I will be frustrated at times, but it will be worth it in the end. For me, my motivation is not sex with every beautiful girl I see. I want to prove to myself that I'm just as good as any other (good looking) guy.

My motivation is just to try and get a hot girl (doesn't have to be the hottest) to want to have sex with me and be my girlfriend, then I'd be sorted!

Back on topic, are younger girls easier and hence more accessible to evidently useless AFC losers like me?

Accept things for what they are.. You'll drive your self crazy with questions, hence the reason curiosity killed the cat.

If you want a hot girl, then read the forums and listen to people who actual get girls, or keep questioning why things are the way they are which has led you to being the pathetic loser you are now...The Choice is yours..

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the whole point of pua is to become a more attractive person, there is no magic pill, you need alot of work on your inner game, there is a section in this forum that gives tips on improving your inner game, there is also a guide to outer game that chief wrote in the pua lounge, that is just about all you need, outer game goes much further, but you honestly don't need it, to simplify pua down to its core

1)believe in yourself and love yourself
2)what is it that you want? express this free from censorship, tell the people around you what you want (dont get this confused with, say things you think people want to hear, or asking people if you can have what you want, or stop talking cause you think someone else does not want that, start being more selfish, think for your self not for others, if you are thinking what could I do or say now to win her over, you are not doing number 2)
3)detach yourself from an expectation from people, but still express what you want, (you are not doing this, if you find that when a girl does not do or act in a way you were hoping, you get angry or sad, you are not doing this, when a girl shoots you down for a meetup and you call her 4 times that day after and try to keep inviting her out, you are not doing this, when after she starts to lose interest you keep trying to figure out ways to get her to like you, you are not doing this when you are falling in love with a girl because deep down you believe it is your only chance or option and you need to keep her because without her you have no one else as good you are not doing this)


now if you are not making at least 1 cold approach a day, and actually trying to get either a date or her contact info, then you are sitting around bitter and depressed asking yourself why women dont find you attractive, then no one should feel sorry for you, you have no one to blame but yourself, go out and take action, if you have no girls and you are not at the barest minimum meeting one girl a day, then you are not even trying at all, nothing ventured, nothing gained, if you dont know what to say, use your fucking common sense, and look to numbers one through three, go up and be completely honest with her, you want her, tell her why you want her, how she makes you feel just by you looking at her, then continue to express what else you want, if she turns out to honestly not be what you want then without censorship, show a lack of interest for her not meeting up to what you want, dont censor yourself, if she is showing complete lack of interest dont try to impress because obviously at a core of your being you dont truly want a girl who doesnt want you (I hope), unless you have low self esteem or something, other then that try to be happy, you dont need anything to be happy just know that you can be happy at any time just because you want to be, once you actually get some contacts and some dates, look to the last post that I wrote and get her aroused and try to sleep with her, if your not finding any girls then you are not approaching enough