I'll try and summarize as best I can. Worked with this girl, she knew the stigma attached to me (500+ women), she's also seen me in action. Never really put her in a take down column because she had a boyfriend that's just too much effort. She breaks up with the boyfriend, we start hanging out a bit, she knows i'm interested in her, she shows interest in me. I'm currently sleeping with 2 other girls she knows, another guy pursues her as well and snags her. Oh well. Keep up a mild friendly relationship while she's with other dude, nothing major just occasional group activity, had lunch once. I was at this point now 'seeing' another girl from work that she knows so we were both 'spoken for' if you will during that time. Not a big deal because she's a girl I actually like to listen to what comes out of her mouth with her clothes on.

Fast forward a few months, guy she's with cheats on her, goes traveling. Girl I'm with gets way over attached and obviously is much more into me than me to her so I cut her loose. Now I decide to go ahead and take what I want and go after this girl. We start hanging out, fool around etc. She invites me to her mom's for Christmas coffee after Christmas dinner. I figure she must like me because no girl does that. And you know what, I'd be pretty happy giving an honest shot at a relationship with her so I accept the invite and spend the evening with her. Now back at her place after, fooling around but she won't sleep with me. At this point I do call her out on it because I can't quite get a read and I don't want to play high-school games. So I ask her straight up what's wrong, if she considers me just a friend, if she doesn't find me attractive, or if she's just not into me. I'm a big boy I can deal with it. She explains that she does like me, she does find me attractive and that she does want to sleep with me but that she's only slept with a few people and that then she would have slept with "Joe Stuart" and there's a stigma attached to that (fair). I said if that's the hold up then I'm not sure what there is I can say for myself. I said I'd never act the way I'm acting for just a take down.

Anyways, I spend the night at hers for our first sleepover, as I said we fooled around, she grabbed my arm after and threw it over her and slept right beside me. She does have other ex's that are trying to make some moves back at her now that she's single and I genuinely don't think she's interested.

Anyways, this girl is very intelligent and she can see past any lines or basic bullshit moves so I do have to bring an A game, which I forget sometimes as she's still young and most young ones are a simple emotion push pull exercise. There isn't a huge age difference. As far as I can tell she's probably still hung up on her ex that cheated on her because all girls are emotionally attached to rejection. Anyways, that's where I'm at with this one. I'd like to obviously sleep with her and this is the first girl in 4 years that I could see any kind of relationship with.

So riddle me that player professionals. And of course I'm not over texting her, I got her a nice xmas gift but nothing over the top, and I ask for qualified advice on this one because I am a professional, but for whatever reason I'm having an issue here. Thanks in advance.

yo dude.
Have you ever considered telling her that? I think she just dont wanna be another of your conquests.

And i also think that you will have to be quite persuasive to make her believe that you really see a relationship in there.

If i were you, i would tell her. I dont think she will buy it, so you will have to prove it, probably by making some sacrifices.

cheers

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"Stop being a fucking vagina and escalate" - CaptainJackHarkness

Like the naked leads the blind.
I know I'm selfish, I'm unkind.
Sucker love I always find,
Someone to bruise and leave behind.
placebo - every me, every you

You're probably right. I think I made some decent headway in that direction the other day. But ya, I mean she's been with single digit number of guys and the fact that it's "me" is a hang up. Being successful with women can be a double edged sword I suppose. But you're right, perhaps this is a situation where I'm going to have to show her and do that "date" thing. And lets face it, the fact that she's one that I can't seem to get, or won't give in, has just made her that much more attractive. Isn't that always the case.

hi man.

yes, true words, the most attractive ones are those you cant get.

Oh, and perhaps just one more piece of advice, which you might already know:

Things will change once you are in the relationship. Once you have proven yourself, she might have the wrong idea that either she can change your personality like dough in a mold or that you have already changed. This can cause major friction. Been there, done that, it cost me my relationship.

As i didnt want to fall into that trap again, i told my girl who i was and what i wanted. I told her that i am very social being. I like to talk to strange women and if they are interesting, i like to make new friends (without benefits though).

I told her i wouldnt tolerate extreme jalousy. If there was something, she needs to tell me right away.
I told her that it might be that i met somebody new and i would like to go out for a drink. Not often, but its possible.
I also told her that she is free to do the same. I like strong social women. Being connected is important. Being able to make new connections is what i look for in a woman.

I said that this is what i want, if you have a problem with it, then we are not meant to be together.

Perhaps its an idea for you too, as i know that some habits are hard to ignore .

cheers!

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"Stop being a fucking vagina and escalate" - CaptainJackHarkness

Like the naked leads the blind.
I know I'm selfish, I'm unkind.
Sucker love I always find,
Someone to bruise and leave behind.
placebo - every me, every you

I put it all out there, I told her how I felt and I told her exactly that she in fact is the first girl in 4 years out of hundreds who's got me to this point and that if she had other guys on the go or if the feeling wasn't mutual then to tell me and be straight because I think I deserve it. She spent the night at my place and I think we're going to see where this goes. I think she's pretty into me. Thank you for the advice. I had submitted the same question on another PUA forum calling for help from pro's. I got the same answer there as well. It nice to know that when it counts, honesty and a direct approach can really speak volumes. May you always share your bed with a warm body. Cheers.