Their is only one right time to go in for the kiss. " the right time" lol. This can be a little tricky as every woman is different. But one thing is a certainty with all women. They believe a kiss should be a magic moment, we daydream about making out with women as if they were a nice juicy steak. Women seek the romantic passion they see in movies or read about. We need to find a sort of happy median.

If you have not created some sort of facet of romance or passion, it is wise to at least follow the signs. Look for excessive eye contact ( in particular, eye contact with side to side movement, as in looking into both your eyes) Body contact ( her touching your arm/shoulder etc etc.)

The best way i have found from my experience, is after a certain comfort is set, grab both of her hands and hold them. If she keeps her hands with yours without pulling back as you are talking, it is an open invitation for a kiss. If she turns away, there is a good chance she is not quite ready, but still has interest. Don't let this deter you, smile about it and perhaps crack a joke. The signs are all still there, stick to the plan and be patient. You can still get the kiss, you just may have to work a little harder for it.

Follow the signs and be bold when you see them.

Fortune Favors the Bold.

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So true hahaha

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rAFC and yes, I'm a chick.

I have bursts of being a lady, but it doesn't last long.

You've offered me great advice before and I'm hoping "the master of PU" would be able and willing to help me again.

I have no problem with confidence. I'm in HS (final year and very soon turning 18 ) and whenever I go somewhere new (play, concert, etc.) I have no problem introducing myself to girls and, when an effort's made, getting a number.

But a big problem is going outside my comfort zone. I have difficulty talking in a sexual manner towards girls. There's a thousand things running through my head when I consider saying something of that nature, "what if she's offended? disgusted? hate me?". In an environment such as high school (and soon college) you're going to see these people again and again and that's where these worries come from. If I were never seeing them again it'd be a different story but that's just not the case.

Also, I have an unusual hobby for a straight guy- I love fashion. This tends to make people think I'm gay. Any tips on changing this image (esp. in front of females) without changing the hobby?

1. Bad math. (PUAF math is always bad)

2. Some good generic advice.

3. Incongruency between the bad math, writing, advice, and pick up methods.

4. My memory might be worse than others. I stopped counting quite early.

Couple of thoughts and advice for the would be commercial guy and kids following this thread.

Pick up 'ability' is observably no different from a guy who's had 30 or so 'night club pick ups' and a guy who claims 1,000's. The only difference is the time available to the guy and his willingness to do it. You young kids might have the energy and time and hopes to go out every fucking weekend and fuck. Tell me how well this works out for you as a balanced 28 year old adult.

The "long game" as suggested by the the OP will hinder your efforts for "lots of lays". This is a scheduling cluster fuck. Waiting for day two's and threes? When do you go out for new ones then? While you're fucking the day three girl? I'm awed by that the older guys simply nod 'uh ha' while you are reading what is a mathematically and realistically impossible. If # of fucks is all you want, any pua who's actually fucked many #'s will tell you go fuck them now, not tomorrow. And usually, this only happens in spurts when a guy is in the 'fuck fest mode'. Even the most disconnected crazy ass sex addicts will go through 'get on the wagon' periods when they try out a monogamous relationship. Yes, they will fuck all the way through it but if you're living with the girl and in an 'admitted relationship', time is limited isn't it?

Fucking 800+ different girls is an addiction. Addicted people have a commonality and it's not just the addiction . . .it's their behavior. Addicted alcoholics have a ritual. Addicted drug addicts have a ritual. Addicted gamblers have a ritual. What the OP suggests is that he is addicted to sex. Interestingly, the pu techniques he proposes is not one of an addict. Addicts by nature will repeat the same shit over, over, and over again. The 'art' of PU has nothing to do with it. All he wants to do is feed on pussy . . .so he repeats what ever yields the most fruit over, over, and over again. I've known guys with the 'finger' . . .the 'dry hump' . . . the 'hop on the backseat of my bike', etc . . . These are the guys who get 1,000's. . . and not by technique but by sheer need for their addictions.

@ OP, judging by the sheer size of this thread, you might be doing something right. However, it is my belief that you will get eaten alive commercially. Your marketing hook sucks. Study some of the successful commercial pu's and see what they do. Why reinvent the wheel? 800, 10,000, 20,000? . . . this is not the bait of choice for successful guys.

@ the kids, learn the process.

@ the mods. Please move this thread to the pua lounge where it belongs.

I have not read any literature from this site, all the advice given is from my mind.



You could not be more wrong about this. Experience speaks for itself. Although certain people may possess "raw natural pick up skills" There is a significant different when it comes to the numbers. Ask any successful PUA's that you know and ask them if they are different now from when they first started, ask them who would do better, the "beginning" them or them "now" A true PUA is constantly evolving.
This also suggest that that you are merely looking to critique. But again based on pure assumptions. You seem to lack the experience to truly understand this concept. I have already explained it in previous posts. But it is simple math. It's just a matter of creating a cycle. Go out 3-4 nights a week, have second encounters with the women you meet the other nights of the week. Do this for a period of time and you will be having consistent sex. There is not a man on the planet, other then the rich and famous, that can successfully go out and have a one night stand every time and if they are, i question the quality of these women.

That being said, although i appreciate your willingness to state your opinion and your effort to be a part of this thread. My advice comes purely from experience and a life time of effort.

I am a life long devoted pupil to the art of pick up. It is not a game, but a state of mind/being and a way of life. Perhaps one day you will understand.

I appreciate your two cents, and the report card mentality. But it seems you are just looking for something to pick apart. Your assumptions to know how my mind works based on general knowledge of " addiction" as a whole, leads me to believe that you just wish to voice your opinion. I can respect that, but do not assume to know who I am or what my intentions are.

I am not addicted to the act of sex, I am addicted to the PU.
Not trying to re-invent anything nor am i trying to be like other PUA's. I am simply who I am. I am a master of my craft here to share my experience and wisdom.

It's your choice of how you wish to perceive it.

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I believe you can kill two birds with one stone. ( solve both problems at once)

You need to become more "sexual" I understand that you are concerned with offending or looking bad but if you remain a person of good character and be polite. You can be as sexual as you like, sex is everywhere, sexuality is socially accepted it's a part of who we are this day and age.

If you are not comfortable with changing instantly into a sexual beast, i suggest you start slowly, use subtle sexual undertones when commenting or complimenting. Sexual desire can be implied not just through words but action and body language. When you are doing it through words, you don't have to be a pig to show your sexual interest. You merely have to give suggestions or gestures of implied sexual nature.

Your like for fashion can be an excellent tool to show more sexuality. As you compliment a girl on her outfit, tell her why you like it. Add a sexual undertone.

Here is a couple of examples:

I really like your heels, they give you more length and help show off your incredible legs.

I hope you dont mind me telling you this but those pants are sick! they make your ass look fantastic.

That a great scarf it really brings out your gorgeous bed room eyes.

Girls love to be complimented, throw in some sexuality and they will begin to associate you with sexuality.

NOTE: Only combine sexual comments with compliments, when alone or one other person. If you are with a group of guys, it is wise to not say anything sexual. it may be viewed unconsciously by her as " construction worker" mentality.

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Luke

I would also like to add, it is a matter of how comfortable the girl is with you. Always make this your first priority, the more comfortable and likeable you are, the easier it will be to be sexual. Set a comfort level and react on her reactions, if you make a subtle sexual remark and it is not received how you want it to be. Shut it down for the time being, establish more comfort, then try again.

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Yes, and what's in your mind is generic advice.
LOL . . . the only problem is that you haven't been able to write down ANY significant difference between your game and a newbie who has never fucked in his life. You fucked so many times . . . and there is such a huge difference after this experience that all you have to offer is generic advice? And I'm not criticizing your advice. It's generally not so bad. It's flaky, corny, and somewhat laugh inducing. . . I mean, you're telling young kids to tell other young kids about 'scarves and their gorgeous bedroom eyes. . . ' This is retarded but it's funny and I guess it won't kill them.

EVERY guy I know will tell me that there is absolutely no difference in his 'observable game' after being out in the field long enough for 30 or so lays. A "true pua evolves" . . . lol. You are so full of shit that you don't even realize your own stink. Why don't you entertain us and tell us how your 32nd pick up was so dramatically different from you 789th?
It's simple math but a real life schedule cluster fuck.
There's so much bs ^here, I'm going to have to have to pick it apart one at a time.

Going out 3 to 4 nights a week:

In my life, I've probably experienced 'going out 3 to 4 nights a week' perhaps 8 times or so. Definitely less than 10. Count all the summers during college. After that, there were times I was involved in project based work that required long hours and meetings only 3 to 4 days a week. This work schedule was conducive for going out often. However, even when I had this type of work schedule, going out 3 to 4 nights a week lost its 'fun value'.

Really? You are so dedicated to your 'art' that you've never gone on vacation? You didn't allow ANY other part of your life get in the way of your persistent 3 to 4 nights a week schedule for 20 years straight? You've never gone to the movies? Just go out to a dinner with a girl? You don't celebrate Holidays? I know trust fund baby hardcore playboys who do not go out 3 to 4 nights a week for a year straight, let alone many, many years that you claim. Really? Then you fuck the other nights?(Making sure that it's a new-to-you pussy every time?) So you go to sleep and 3am and wake up at 8 fresh and bright to go to work?

Having constant sex through cycles:

Yes, going out 3 to 4 nights a week will provide the average guy with constant sex. If you do this enough and actually AIM FOR 2nd and 3rd night meetings, you will be forced into repetitive meeting cycles (dates) not by intent but by sheer dynamics of social interaction. You will be having constant sex with the same people for a while.

One night stands:

LOL . . . On any given night in any given city, there are girls who go out with freshly shaven pussy looking for one night stands. Are you telling me that as an "experienced pua", you have trouble identifying these girls? You can nearly smell the shaving cream from their crotch. "Only the rich and the famous . . ." LOL. . . Look, everybody has times in their lives when they are looking to up the numbers. If so, they don't sit there and set up these long ass 3 to 4 nights a week out, 2nd day date schedules. They go out and get laid ANY WAY THEY CAN. If a ONS is possible, you pounce on it, if not, you set something up and then continue your search for a ONS. At first, I was only doubting your numbers. I am now beginning to doubt you whether you've ever done this at all.
Thank you for offering me a choice. "Master of your craft". . . Ha ha ha ha ha. . . I'm grabbing my fucking belly! . . . lol . . . Your melodramatic bullshit would in fact prevent a regular social life. I know concert musicians who don't go around telling others that they are 'masters of their craft'. LOL. . . I know CEO's of companies, political leaders, olympic athletes, PhD's who are not "masters of their crafts". You've never done anything in your life have you? Experience and wisdom? LOL. . . .You are a joker.

It's been funny to see you on the 'intro section' with all your bs. I'd like to offer you a choice as well: 1. You can keep your handle, continue your bullshit and continue your self mockery. 2. You can keep quiet for a while, change your handle and actually learn something from this forum.
^LOL, LOL, LOL . . . Your melodramatic self mockery is a way of life? I'd love to see you actually interact with another human being in person.
^These examples sound great when you present it in the Shakespearean monologue form. Guys . . . try it out!

This forum needs a 'bullshit' section.

Kasabi! You're an idiot, I am not going to argue with you. Go hate on someone else. You read all these books and material, then you self proclaim yourself as an expert. LOL You ridicule people that are trying to help others. Get over yourself. I don't have to prove shit to a guy like you. If you have a problem with this thread. STAY THE HELL AWAY FROM IT.

I can only laugh at your words, you have friends that are CEO's/ Olympic athletes, political figures.( blah blah blah) Who are you kidding man? Your personality is shining through with your words. I have read some of your posts, you are a classic introvert, and you think your shit doesn't stink. You like to beat people down. You have no friends, that's why you spent the last 3-4 years trolling this web-site.

Get over your self kid. If you have nothing positive to say, keep it to yourself, or go write a book, you can read it in the mirror.

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Sure, find me another delusional liar in this forum and I will.
- clap, clap, clap . . .



You are not here to help others.
You're wrong. You have a lot to prove to me and everybody else on this forum. If you are proclaiming your bullshit and offering your hysterical advice, you'll need to back it up. You have not been able to do this.
I will not. As long as you continue your circus act, I will shine a spotlight on it.
I didn't want to gloat about having certain friends so I chose to use the word "know". I am fortunate to have a lot of interesting friends. . . I should have phrased it the way you did.
In this forum and in real life, I only do this to delusional liars who either knowingly or unknowingly harm others. . . and yes, I enjoy it.
This is an interesting phrase to use for an insult. You could have pulled anything out of the sky and you went with "You have no friends." - What are you a 13 year old girl? How is this an insult to a grown up?
Why do you seek to receive positive reinforcement for sharing delusional lies with this forum?

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"J, I guess yer so amazing in bed you send the girls into a transcendent state where they realize their own mortality and are shaken by the realization that their presence bears little impact on the universe, or they just realized they hate you"
-DJ_Z

For once I actually agree with Kasabi.

To the OP if you had sex with 800 different women you'd be dead by now. Seriously toying with 800 women's emotions would get you killed. You'd have a reputation out of this world if they're in the same state/city which would get you killed. You're saying none of these women ran into eachother. I know women don't like to share their men there would have been fights occurring over. Also you're saying these women only wanted one night stands with you. Hard to imagine none of these 800 girl not wanting to see you again and go out on a date or simply unless you just totally sucked in bed. Then if a girl wanted you see you again you wouldn't have time to pick up other women. Also by that claim of 800 women you technically had no rejections every girl you approached hooked.

You wouldn't have much time for anything else in life beside picking up women.
You must have a lot of money because you'd be homeless by now investing that much time into going out for women.

I've seen guys like you pop up on other forums making claims of having sex with 200 women in a year. Then once the questions get inquired about their methods they give the same run around generic responses like you have then get offended by said person for asking the question or bringing to light facts that prove it's totally untrue. They say things like "I don't have to prove anything or you're an idiot" when the fact is Yes you do need to prove something you're the one who comes on here boasting big claims of bedding 800 women.

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For once I actually agree with Kasabi.
Both you and Kasabi have commented on this "generics advice" Yes it is simple advice, the fact that neither of you are seeing the bigger picture, shows me enough to not be too concerned with your opinions.

Most of the people on here asking for advice are beginners, the simple "generic" advice is warranted. There is much more to this game but that comes with putting the time in.

I am sure at some point more advanced techniques will come out, when warranted!

I have never once said, i did not encounter problems, I have never once claimed to have not been rejected ( rejection is a part of the game) I have had many women run into one another, I have had women form "hate clubs" and yes I have dissapointed many many women. Only few women wanted one night stands, the majority wanted more.

I am not dead, I am very much alive. I never once claimed to be beloved by women, in fact i have hurt quite a few in my lifetime. I Have never had my life threatened but I have had some not so good experiences.

The proof in in my words, you say my responses are generic? how so? And yes i have dedicated a huge part of my life to this game, Has it had a negative effect on my life? it most certainly has. I do not have a lot of money nor have I ever. I am simply good with people.

I am not claiming to be the master of pick up, i am merely a master of MY craft. What i suggest are things that have worked for ME....my advice is based on my experiences and understanding of the female species. I have not read any literature or structured my game. It is simply what it is. Whether you chose to believe it or not is entirely up to you.

I resent the comment " I've seen guys like you pop up on here"

You do not know me, you know nothing about me. You are judging me solely on limited data and personal bias.

If you truly have an understanding of the art of seduction and the female mentality, you would surely see that i know what i am talking about.

That being said, I would like to thank you for sharing your opinion, but in the end, its just an opinion. It's not going to deter me from helping others.

This thread is for people seeking advice and suggestions.

You do not have to follow it.
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So.... I just read this whole topic and I saw it ended with SexAddict being flamed.
Why is it ridiculous that he claims to have had sex with around 800 women?
Why isn't it obvious that he IS reading and answering questions from anyone and thus spending his time helping people?
I'm new here, but I really like how this guy plays the game (ie. being the gentleman, zero-rejection-strategy), I can relate to this style... so am I missing something?
Please clarify, I'm sure other readers would like to know.

For Vit-J and Cocacola:

the-reasons-that-the-community-sucks-vt ... nity+sucks

Read the whole thread.

Reo: my criticism of the OP has less to do with the math and more to do with the incongruency of all of his posts. For example, if vicparkguy had written that he's been doing this strategy f-close-short-cuts-banging-sluts-vt1222 ... highlight= for 15 years and he's banged 800, I wouldn't bother with the math, I'd just believe him. The strategy fits the results and his advice fits the strategy. His written voice fits what he actually does in PU.

Copy/pasters can be helpful. However, when a cocky copy/paster starts pulling stuff out of thin air, it's ridiculously funny at best and at worst, it needlessly confuses newbies. Telling 18 year olds to tell other 18 year old girls:
is retarded. Do you know why he freely offers this advice? It's because he's never done this before as a younger person with a younger girl. This melodrama cheese is only appreciated by actors (while acting in a movie) or by older ladies. . . or by girls you've known quite a while. (By the way, if you want to compliment girls, it's far better to put yourself into the compliment through an 'active compliment' rather than passive compliments recommended here but that's another topic. . . )

The problem with copy/pasters is that all of this information is a lawn dart game. As he's done here, he'll just guess up a fit press a button. The fact that he doesn't even seem to realize how retarded his posts look speaks volumes of his lack of intellect and lack of experience for ANYTHING in life.
This is the irony . . . he's not even a good bullshitter.
LOL . . . My God you need help. What the fuck is the point of your posts then? Did you post all your bullshit so we don't get to know anything about you? Did you post up your 'game strategy' and 800 lays so we DON'T KNOW what you've done or what you do in PU? Please let me know if you are in fact mentally retarded because if you are, I will stop now. Otherwise, please feel free to continue with the retard 'act'. I'd like to continue making fun of you. Thanks.