I am sarging for some days, I have opened 30 sets, how many did you do till you got your first lay, so that I can get an idea.

I am yet to get this monkey off my back.

But it is not a defined number, it could be 50 approaches or 2,000 approaches before your first lay, its an element of luck but mainly self development, I think it is much more important to just keep pushing forward in your personal development and improve your skills, rather than worrying about how much you have to approach before getting a lay.

Any one who got lays can tell me what was the near about magic number, though each starts with a different level of skill set.
I have got many girls attracted to me, but I never had a kino, sexual communication game, I usually verbalize these things. I am working on this SP.

lol, my first lay from pick up was a girl that opened me.

Quality over quanity people! Mass approaching is good for getting over AA but not good for perfecting your craft. You need to make sure your approaches are good rather than just mass approaching and hoping for the best. There are certain things you can do to increase your odds, these include raising your confidence levels, looking your best, learning the psychology of attraction as well as other things.

Next time you approach analyse what went well, what could have gone better and what you can do to improve next time.

Well man to be honest you'll get your first lay after you have figured what the "magic button" is once you figure it out then you'll be golden. Yes everyone knows that every women is different but they are the same in the since that they are the opposite sex. They all will respond to exact movements, words and and overall confidence. Just sit your self down and think

1. What have I done in the past to make a women like me.
2. What things have I done for the most part made her feel good.
3. What qualitys do I have that makes her respond sexually to me.

I was a lucky guy and started getting laid at a very early age, but I didn't truly understand the methods of madness until I was about 22. Don't give up, however start to pay attention to what your doing that's evoking reactions from her.

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If we are talking about street approaches here open in a very positive way, confident, smiling and non threatening this will help put her at ease and stop you seeming like just another creepy loser who is trying to game her. She will realise you are trying to game her because women are not stupid but because you have started the interaction in a positive way she wont feel creeped out or weird. Get a conversation going and if she is giving off IOI's give a false time constraint, "hey id love to stay and chat but im meeting some friends for lunch, but you seem like a fun person heres my number". This is way less threatening than asking her for your number and doesnt come across as desperate.

I was lucky regarding losing my virginity. I was just turned 16 and my older sister had a few uni friends (18 year olds) staying in the house for about 3 weeks (all girls) while my parents were away. I'd not tried to chat them up as I was total afc but there was one that was stunning. I couldn't believe how beautiful she was.

The third night in we were all going to bed and she just came into my room and got in my bed....it was the best few weeks I'd ever experienced at that point in my life.

I was such an afc that even when she got in my bed the first night I thought she was just being friendly lol! Wasn't until she started rubbing herself against me that the penny (and my boxers) dropped.

@Dahn, @Bane82, @Bane82, @gtdave - How much time, attempts though it took you, also since you are a member from quite some time, how did you find out what works, post analysis or pre analysis or both, and why some other guys are able to get lays without this knowledge - I think its their real world simultaneous leaning skills . Any ideas how can I improve my real world simultaneous leaning skills.

There are three main factors when it comes to approaching, how you look, confidence and approaching in a confident friendly way smiling with open body language. There is no guarantee it will work but your chances are significantly higher than they otherwise would be. Street approaches are ideal for functional and opinion openers, but it is very very important that the opinion you are asking is valid to the situation.

Going up to a complete stranger on the street and asking "who lies more, men or women" or "Is it ok to break up with someone by text" will make you look like an idiot. She will be like, why the fuck is he asking me this. A better approach would be something like "Hey, sorry to bother you do you know any good book stores around here?" If she answers in a friendly way then you can build a conversation around this find a couple of commonalities and take it from there. The key is to fill the interaction with positive energy, comfort first.

By the way there is no magic number, approaching is hit and miss for everyone. But I can tell you for a fact that 100 approaches of a guy looking nervous, dressed like shit and not knowing what to say isnt worth nearly as much as one approach done correctly.

By the way the reason why some guys do this naturally is because a lot of the stuff taught people do without even realising it. I was breaking rapport and building comfort with girls way before I read anything, trouble is that for every one thing I was doing right I was doing two things wrong. e.g. I would tease girls in a fun flirty way because that is what I am like naturally as a person, but at the same time I had and still to some extent have a need to feel wanted and needed so I would sometimes act needy.

I have come on leaps and bounds but I know I am not yet the finished product. I recommend anyone who is new to game to work on their inner game first, develop confidence and leaderhip qualities and it will make the techniques 100 times easier.

If you want I can give you some good confidence building techniques that have helped me.

Everyone is going to develop at a different rate, What I can tell you is the more you open, the higher your chances of getting laid. Some guys get lucky and lay on they're first set. Some guys it takes 300 set.

I was pretty much a natural my whole life, and pick up just added to the knowledge I already had.

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Bane82 what are these techniques... my confidence is what has and is still holding me back and although I surpress the AFC in me, it's not what I consider real cofidence.. it's the new me, telling the AFC me to shut the f*ck up.

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I must stress that these techniques worked for me but may not work for everyone also I dont know you so some of the stuff I am suggesting you may already be doing.

1) Look your best, look at what you are unhappy about appearance wise or what you could do to look better. Obviously I have no idea what you look like or how you dress so I cant comment but if you are overweight go on a diet, if you are too skinny join a gym and get some tone. Look at different options for hairstyles, clothing that accentuates your best features rather than just going for expensive brands. This has worked wonders for me.

2) Put yourself in more social situations, being confident when with friends, colleagues, classmates, family or whatever will make you more confident around women. A person cant be shy and nervous around friends or colleagues and then turn into mr confidence when he approaches a girl. Start off slow dont be afraid to offer your opinions in a confident way (not domineering) dont be afraid to speak up and make suggestions and not just go with the flow.

3) Speak to more people you dont normally talk to, for example if there are people at work or school, or any situation get used to starting conversations with people and increasing your social group. This will make being a social person who is comfortable around other people more natural to you.

4) Project your voice when you speak and have relaxed body language. This may take some getting used to and hopefully if you build confidence you will end up doing this naturally anyway without thinking about it. But speaking in a clear confident friendly voice will make your points and opinions seem more valid. Ever notice the guy who always has the good ideas that noone listens to, dont be that guy! BTW you have to do this in a style that is natural to you, dont try to copy anyone but do it in a way that seems normal.

5) This might sound weird but I find listening to music loud before going out helps, it puts me in a high energy mood which helps my flirty fun side come out and kills any shyness I may have. It all depends on your taste I guess but I like listening to QOTSA, Nirvana, Foo's, Muse etc before going out.

6) Lastly look up good sex advice, I know that I can satify any woman I meet sexually and this gives confidence. Do a google search and look up technique as well as ways to spike girls emotions during sex, how to tease, how to build anticipation, how to make them wet just at the sight of you. Knowing prior to any date how much pleasure you can give a girl is a huge confidence booster. But for Christs sake DONT TELL HER THIS!!! Guys who brag about how great they are in bed come across as insecure.