interesting. i have a lot to say about this lol, so let me get started.

first of all, what i've noticed is that people from 17-21 ALL believe they are more mature than they actually are. it may be true that we're all mature in some way, but they all believe they are mature when they sometimes really arent. i've dated girls so many HBs from high school who say that. anyway... i'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt though. in my case i'm 20 and well aware of my feelings, emotions, etc. i've read 30-40 thick psychology books about dating, advice, body language, hypnotherapy, humans, self-esteem/self-improvement, etc... i've read all of that and i still don't consider myself "mature" because i enjoy having fun and sarging. if you're out there sarging and picking up/manipulating women... in some way that is immature. but none of that really matters.

when you're trying to pick up older women the thing is that it's not about older women in general, it's about the individual people. what THEY want as an INDIVIDUAL... not as a 23 year old HB9. the techniques are similar but you really just gotta work with what they want. i've noticed a lot of insecure HBs enjoy young men because they know how to have fun.... so being "mature" may become a disadvantage to you. you may not be able to keep up with the suave doctors that they've dated. you're "just in high school".

so being fun and outgoing may be the best way to go. you have to be confident and DHV anywhere you can in a very subtle way. you need to be sure of yourself, have very educated opinions which should reflect them to establish rapport.

basically you need to work harder to game them since you may be at a disadvantage, you really need to know what you're doing. don't go for premature k-closes, holding hands, or even calls. kino when appropriate and show her that you know how to treat a women/know how to play the game better than all these AFCs.

negs and DHVs are, as always, great and will work great for you. don't be scared, try to dress well, try to have social proof if you can, or be preselected in your DHV stories, etc. also maybe you should try going out there and doing things that normal guys don't do. maybe try rock climbing, paintballing, etc... show that you're adventurous and that you're not some noob AFC. being preselected may be huge for you. maybe say that you've dated 2-3 women who were her age before. it might go something like this:

HB: i'm 23, i'm sorry but i'm too old for you.
PUA: i think you're just scared that you're falling for me to fast *smile* (play this cocky funny or something. just pass the shit test, it doesn't relaly matter how you do it.)
PUA: 23 is still pretty young, that's cool. believe it or not i've went out with someone a year older than you. she was 24, long blonde hair, curves to die for. kind of like you. the thing that really got to me was her smile though. it was one of those smiles that would just light up the room you know?
(blah blah blah just DHV yourself, etc... hopefully she qualifies)
PUA: you're cute also, if you weren't so picky i'd probably give you a chance. it looks like you're pretty high maintenance though, oh and you're "too old" for me.

something like that, i dont know. you really just need to feel it out. when the situation comes up of course. alpha alpha alpha.... that owns all.

anything that you can use to help you look better than the average guy works really well. if you play an instrument, pretend to be passionate about it and how you love to do it even if you may not be that good. work and school is really putting you at a disadvantage so work around that and show that you have a strong future and that you like to have fun.

a lot of women at the ages of 21+ are really just out there to meet lots of guys (to find the right one) and sleep with the ones with lots of potential (i.e YOU)

you really need to try and pretend like they're just some random HB maybe in your age group. don't be intimidated and if you fail then let us know what happened so we can help you get past that sticking point. the only way to learn is to try.

well good luck. there's my 2 cents...

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by Casual (Age 20, Upcoming PUA)

No need to beat around the bush.

Just tell them you're interested in having sex with them. Nothing else.

That will get their attention.

A lot of chicks in this age group are looking for no strings attached type of relationships.

I wouldn't try to game older women, they'll probably laugh at you, not take you seriously, etc...

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CASUAL - whoa dude thanks! youre totally spot on about a lot of points, i can definitely refer to this post in the future. ill definitely be posting by attempts in the forum for help.

STARBUCK - thanks for crushing my spirit.


haha just kidding. I think I will gauge and for a certain type of gal, tell her like you said. NOTE: for anyone working on this "direct" approach, jack nicholson does and EXCELLENT seduction in this spirit. the movie is 'the witches of eastwick' (as suggested by STYLE IN THE GAME).

I HIGHLY RECOMMEND YOU SEE IT to anyone interested in this type of approach. i have the movie on my comp ahem ahem. the movie itself is ok.

basically he says 'I wanna fuck you' and then some dialogue and then the 32 year old makes some excuses and he shoots em down then the get to it

I didn't mean to do that man..

Heck when I was in my mid-20's about all I did for a number of years was have relationships (based only on sex) with older women. At the time I was a little frustrated with the younger variety.

Since I had been married at 19 and divorced at 22 in the military, this kind of approach and arrangement has always worked quite well for me on older chicks. Most of whom have already heard it all and done it all already.

Now I'm not saying walk up to a stranger and lay it on her. I'm just saying, build a little attraction and sexual tension first, act a decent and mature young man then come right out and make a suggestion. No doubt you'll surprise her initially, but with a decent outer game she'll soon get over her shock when she realizes this young guy's not just into video games and model trains.

The other option is the indirect approach, but this has more of a dating Approach, and better used when older guys are gaming younger chicks, they're about the same age, etc... It was my experience that older, successful women, especially those with children, etc. don't really have the time or energy for warming up from a younger guy and really aren't interested in them anyway. Show her that you're different.

I suppose you could try the summer of '42 approach and try to do something for them (fix their house, mow their yard, etc..), but this is rather outdated.

Bottom line is if you want something, you got to be willing to ask for it. The other option is to present yourself in a certain sexual and available way and hope she gets the idea and can steer the interaction where you want it to go (this is generally the female role). But in my experience, although it has happened, and from a guys perspective this sort of situation is the exception rather than the rule.

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I kind of agree with Fire. I have noticed a lot of older women wanting "mature" and older men. Sometimes they mean 30+ when they're only 21-25. You're success rate might increase if you do lie about your age, but you'll have to lie about a whole lot more than that, considering you're a full time student in high school. (college/job?)
momentrising also has a really good point. i would use something like this as well. if she ever asked me how old I was, I would probably say something like "why should that matter? *smile* isn't personality the most important feature a person can have?" (this is also a DHV for you)

it cleverly changes the topic and avoids the question, the point is the keep the topic framed to wherever you want it to go like PrettyBoy41 stated also. so it's YOUR job to keep the topic off your age. when she answers your question, ask another question using any key words she used, or maybe ask why she felt that way, etc...

or you can neg her by saying "I bet you're just trying to find an excuse to get rid of me. I'm shocked, I didn't take you as the anti-social type *smile/laugh*"

again, it changes the subject to whatever frame you want it to.


You will have to impress these women, but the same way you would a normal HB, you just have to make sure you do it right. Any mental games you can play (cube, strawberry field, 5 lies game, etc...) will probably play a good role in DHVing yourself. Also, like I said earlier, showing her that you're the outgoing type could benefit you as well. Playing an instrument, working out reguarly, billiards, airsofting, sky diving, salsa dancing, being a chef, etc... anything that makes her go "wow that's interesting" is a plus. you will probably get IOIs easier, and it'll set you apart from AFCs even at her age.... which is what you want.

being confident, alpha, secure with yourself. have future goals, educated opinions about everything (hopefully you can do that) and keep a conversation going by asking questions, telling stories, doing/saying random things, etc. cocky/funny is always great. hmmmm, passing shit tests, out AMOGing other guys. so yea, it's pretty much the same as any other HB...

good luck, i'm EXPECTING to see some future field reports sometime soon. =)

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by Casual (Age 20, Upcoming PUA)

38 year olds ask them if they need help crossing the intersection unless its stiffler's mom milf milf milf

seriosly use your age to your advantage be spontaneous and energetic i found thirty year old women flirt with goofy guys because they have a certain charisma cocky funny helps