Canned openers vs. Natural openers?



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PostPosted: Sun Dec 25, 2011 7:05 am 
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I'm a beginner and I'm one of those guys who have really bad AA. I can walk around for hours without approaching one person during the day. My question is would it be better to start off with canned openers kind of like training wheels until I'm confident enough to go natural. Or somehow find the balls to start off natural?


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Push yourself to your limits. Your mind is playing tricks with you. Question it. Listen to your cock instead. That thing never lies to you. So just walk there and say the first shit that comes into your mind. No thinking. No hesitating. The very first shit.

If this doesn't work for you then you should go with canned shit for a while. It will make your progress slower however...

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I have to disagree with you MynameisFisher. It's the opposite. You'll progress much much faster if you learn some canned openers. Why? Because they're designed to work and field tested thousands of times. Learn the jealous girlfriend or have you seen that fight outside..or do you think tatoos are trashy. They cannot fail when you begin. And if you have AA..it's even worst to say anything that comes out of your mouth because you will not know what to say afterwards. Do not do that you'll progress really slow. Learn some canned stuff and learn some structure before going natural. That way, when you'll understand the basic format of meeting a girl to fuck close or being in a relationship, you will create your own material. But just starting out in the game with a lot of AA and no experience what so ever..you will advance much faster with pre-loaded openers and routines. Believe me I tried both!

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I have to disagree with you MynameisFisher. It's the opposite. You'll progress much much faster if you learn some canned openers. Why? Because they're designed to work and field tested thousands of times. Learn the jealous girlfriend or have you seen that fight outside..or do you think tatoos are trashy. They cannot fail when you begin. And if you have AA..it's even worst to say anything that comes out of your mouth because you will not know what to say afterwards. Do not do that you'll progress really slow. Learn some canned stuff and learn some structure before going natural. That way, when you'll understand the basic format of meeting a girl to fuck close or being in a relationship, you will create your own material. But just starting out in the game with a lot of AA and no experience what so ever..you will advance much faster with pre-loaded openers and routines. Believe me I tried both!
As I've said... If it goes bad go with canned. But if it goes well...can you explain how that slows his progress? It's likely to eliminate half of the AA on the spot...

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Here's why it doesn't eliminate AA. He will not know what to say afterwards. And that scares the crap out of a lot of people. Having a game plan on the other hand..removes your AA after just a few tries. If you learn canned openers at the beginning..it gives you much more confidence because you know they work..they've been field tested for thousands of times. Therefore you know they have 90% succes rate. If you're doing something wrong is because of your body language or the way you say it. But the verbal opener is perfect..so you know on what to work on. If you just go out without a game plan as a beginner.. you will stress out..you will not know what to do or what to say afterwards and you won't understand interactions as much as if you were having a battle plan. I'm a pretty good natural and when I decided to go step by step just to learn structure.. wow my succes rate increased a LOT!

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Here's why it doesn't eliminate AA. He will not know what to say afterwards. And that scares the crap out of a lot of people. Having a game plan on the other hand..removes your AA after just a few tries. If you learn canned openers at the beginning..it gives you much more confidence because you know they work..they've been field tested for thousands of times. Therefore you know they have 90% succes rate. If you're doing something wrong is because of your body language or the way you say it. But the verbal opener is perfect..so you know on what to work on. If you just go out without a game plan as a beginner.. you will stress out..you will not know what to do or what to say afterwards and you won't understand interactions as much as if you were having a battle plan. I'm a pretty good natural and when I decided to go step by step just to learn structure.. wow my succes rate increased a LOT!
Sorry... I wasn't clear. I didn't intend to say not to have any game plan at all. The question was about openers. I wanted to say that he should go out and open the girl with the very first thing that comes into his mind, because chances are that at that very moment that's the shit that's most congurent with him. But what to say after that is I think out of the topic. If he doesn't know what to say after that he should ask that too. And if that's the case, then I'd take a completely different approach on this topic.

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